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I don’t refute anything you say, but linking to a page that features Glenn Beck, Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson doesn’t help your case. Not to mention the clear

I don’t refute anything you say, but linking to a page that features Glenn Beck, Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson doesn’t help your case. Not to mention the clear partisanship and call for donation to the “American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology” - a rabbit hole I’m happy to avoid.

robbedpeter 5y ago
That's an artifact of the politics. If a company had been tilting this in favor of the right, you would find Maddow, Lemon, and other left wing bobbleheads instead of right wing bobbleheads. Don't let guilt by association bias your thinking in this, but give the subject the deliberation it deserves. If you value the integrity of democracy and public discourse, ignore the messengers for whom the optics are politically convenient and focus on the message.
- msrenee 5y ago
  What am I supposed to see on that site besides a guy trying to market a monitoring system that he made?
- dessant 5y ago
  No, we should not ignore the messengers. There are enough credible people and content supporting your arguments, and there is no need to shove in the fundraising campaigns of opportunistic people that regularily argue against human rights.
- selfportrait 5y ago
  This isn’t guilt by association. That website is purely a grift, starting from its appeal to authority, leading into the Fox News nonsense and pseudoscientific slant, all the way to its Rush Limbaugh, early 2000s aesthetics. It doesn’t take a scientist to know that this isn’t how credible scientists operate, especially with the partisan hackery on display.
bduerst 5y ago
Isn't the whole, "TikTok spies for China" meme also politically motivated, per the last Republican president? I don't doubt that Bytedance shares Chinese TouTiao user data with the Chinese government, akin to how Apple does it with iCloud, but Bytedance has been pretty adamant that TikTok is external to China and doesn't share data. Even when there was an executive order to ban TikTok for being a national security threat, they couldn't prove that it was. Does anyone have actual evidence of TikTok sharing with the Chinese government, outside of political hit pieces like the one above?
- mdoms 5y ago
  > Bytedance has been pretty adamant that TikTok is external to China and doesn't share data Oh well if they've been _adamant_ then I guess it's true.
- friedman23 5y ago
  Explicit evidence of Tiktok sharing information with the Chinese government is not needed because there is already sufficient evidence that 1. The Chinese government does not deserve our trust. 2. All Chinese businesses are extensions of the Chinese government. The default assumption should be that your information is being sent to China and that China is using Tiktok as an extention of their propaganda arm.
  - chrischen 5y ago
    Technically all businesses with a large interest inside X jurisdiction will have leverage against it in some way. For example Microsoft had to hand over its Windows source code to China. By extension of that leverage you can assume that jurisdiction has some control over it. In US it could be national security letters issued to TikTok. In China it could be their equivalent issued to someone physically on their soil.
    - curiousmindz 5y ago
      To be clearer, Microsoft has a program allowing most governments to inspect the source code of Windows. This is not specific to one country.
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tekknik 5y ago
A broken clock is right twice a day.

robbedpeter 5y ago

That's an artifact of the politics. If a company had been tilting this in favor of the right, you would find Maddow, Lemon, and other left wing bobbleheads instead of right wing bobbleheads. Don't let guilt by association bias your thinking in this, but give the subject the deliberation it deserves. If you value the integrity of democracy and public discourse, ignore the messengers for whom the optics are politically convenient and focus on the message.

msrenee 5y ago
What am I supposed to see on that site besides a guy trying to market a monitoring system that he made?
dessant 5y ago
No, we should not ignore the messengers. There are enough credible people and content supporting your arguments, and there is no need to shove in the fundraising campaigns of opportunistic people that regularily argue against human rights.
selfportrait 5y ago
This isn’t guilt by association. That website is purely a grift, starting from its appeal to authority, leading into the Fox News nonsense and pseudoscientific slant, all the way to its Rush Limbaugh, early 2000s aesthetics. It doesn’t take a scientist to know that this isn’t how credible scientists operate, especially with the partisan hackery on display.

bduerst 5y ago

Isn't the whole, "TikTok spies for China" meme also politically motivated, per the last Republican president? I don't doubt that Bytedance shares Chinese TouTiao user data with the Chinese government, akin to how Apple does it with iCloud, but Bytedance has been pretty adamant that TikTok is external to China and doesn't share data. Even when there was an executive order to ban TikTok for being a national security threat, they couldn't prove that it was. Does anyone have actual evidence of TikTok sharing with the Chinese government, outside of political hit pieces like the one above?

mdoms 5y ago
> Bytedance has been pretty adamant that TikTok is external to China and doesn't share data Oh well if they've been _adamant_ then I guess it's true.
friedman23 5y ago
Explicit evidence of Tiktok sharing information with the Chinese government is not needed because there is already sufficient evidence that 1. The Chinese government does not deserve our trust. 2. All Chinese businesses are extensions of the Chinese government. The default assumption should be that your information is being sent to China and that China is using Tiktok as an extention of their propaganda arm.
- chrischen 5y ago
  Technically all businesses with a large interest inside X jurisdiction will have leverage against it in some way. For example Microsoft had to hand over its Windows source code to China. By extension of that leverage you can assume that jurisdiction has some control over it. In US it could be national security letters issued to TikTok. In China it could be their equivalent issued to someone physically on their soil.
  - curiousmindz 5y ago
    To be clearer, Microsoft has a program allowing most governments to inspect the source code of Windows. This is not specific to one country.

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tekknik 5y ago

A broken clock is right twice a day.