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I find your warning a bit unfair as there are literally no CTA inside the blog content promoting our product and only 2 internal links toward other educational

by daolf 5y ago

I find your warning a bit unfair as there are literally no CTA inside the blog content promoting our product and only 2 internal links toward other educational posts. But anyway, I thought about taking a random sample of pages who returns a "200". Let's say 150, and manually tagging them to find if they're "dead" or not. And then reuse the "dead or alive but a 200" ratio for all the pages but I was afraid that I'd need to tag much more than 150 pages to have a significant statistical result.

runnerup 5y ago
For what it's worth, you could watch how quickly the confidence intervals converge as you sample the data, to see if it's worth continuing or if the variance is too high and whether you'd have to check thousands of pages by hand: from scipy.stats import binomtest chance_of_dead_page = binomtest(landing_page_counter["dead"], landing_page_counter["total"]).proportion_ci(confidence_level=0.90) print(f'Chance of a dead but existing landing page (90% Confidence Interval):{chance_of_dead_page.low * 100:.2f}% to {chance_of_dead_page.high * 100:.2f}%')
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> I find your warning a bit unfair as there are literally no CTA inside the blog content promoting our product It’s obviously blog content designed to promote your product, hosted on the company’s product website. I don’t see how the FYI is unfair. I added it because the content was valuable but HN can be finicky about blog posts from companies advertising their own products. Trying to get ahead of indignant dismissals.
- halpert 5y ago
  Where do they promote the product? It looks like they’re using a random http library.
- dewey 5y ago
  > It’s obviously blog content designed to promote your product, hosted on the company’s product website. I don’t see how the FYI is unfair. There's so many blog posts posted here that could fall under "content marketing" umbrella if you want to be strict. I feel like there's no problem with that if the content is valuable and people like/upvote it. After all this is a platform that is doing marketing for YC where YC companies are supposed to post their content too. That "warning" also stuck out to me as a bit unfair as I was even looking for how it hooks into ScrapingBee (as I was curious how these scraping-aaS platforms interface with custom code) and couldn't find anything.
- 1123581321 5y ago
  Yours ended up coming across as the indignant dismissal. As a community member I didn’t appreciate the warning. From the second paragraph on your comment was an interesting contribution, though. I’m surprised that many of those PoC businesses have stayed online at all, but I guess romaine are easy to renew.
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time_to_smile 5y ago
> I find your warning a bit unfair as there are literally no CTA inside the blog content promoting our product and only 2 internal links toward other educational posts. I've worked in or adjacent to the content marketing world long enough to know that a CTA is not necessary for the post to be marketing/advertising. One of the major goals of content marketing it to establish the authority of the brand. You are well aware that the raison d'etre of that post is to spread awareness of and establish the authority of ScrapingBee. It doesn't mean the post is not interesting, useful or valuable. But that post exists fundamentally for marketing/brand purposes. Parents warning is completely fair, especially since they immediately point out the value of the post.
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- frogpelt 5y ago
  What's the point of the warning though? If you're paying attention you know it's content marketing. If you're oblivious, the marketing probably isn't working. Either way, you probably don't need a warning.
  - pessimizer 5y ago
    I love warnings, because I don't have to pay as much attention.

by daolf 5y ago

runnerup 5y ago

For what it's worth, you could watch how quickly the confidence intervals converge as you sample the data, to see if it's worth continuing or if the variance is too high and whether you'd have to check thousands of pages by hand: from scipy.stats import binomtest chance_of_dead_page = binomtest(landing_page_counter["dead"], landing_page_counter["total"]).proportion_ci(confidence_level=0.90) print(f'Chance of a dead but existing landing page (90% Confidence Interval):{chance_of_dead_page.low * 100:.2f}% to {chance_of_dead_page.high * 100:.2f}%')

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> I find your warning a bit unfair as there are literally no CTA inside the blog content promoting our product It’s obviously blog content designed to promote your product, hosted on the company’s product website. I don’t see how the FYI is unfair. I added it because the content was valuable but HN can be finicky about blog posts from companies advertising their own products. Trying to get ahead of indignant dismissals.

halpert 5y ago
Where do they promote the product? It looks like they’re using a random http library.
dewey 5y ago
> It’s obviously blog content designed to promote your product, hosted on the company’s product website. I don’t see how the FYI is unfair. There's so many blog posts posted here that could fall under "content marketing" umbrella if you want to be strict. I feel like there's no problem with that if the content is valuable and people like/upvote it. After all this is a platform that is doing marketing for YC where YC companies are supposed to post their content too. That "warning" also stuck out to me as a bit unfair as I was even looking for how it hooks into ScrapingBee (as I was curious how these scraping-aaS platforms interface with custom code) and couldn't find anything.
1123581321 5y ago
Yours ended up coming across as the indignant dismissal. As a community member I didn’t appreciate the warning. From the second paragraph on your comment was an interesting contribution, though. I’m surprised that many of those PoC businesses have stayed online at all, but I guess romaine are easy to renew.
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time_to_smile 5y ago

> I find your warning a bit unfair as there are literally no CTA inside the blog content promoting our product and only 2 internal links toward other educational posts. I've worked in or adjacent to the content marketing world long enough to know that a CTA is not necessary for the post to be marketing/advertising. One of the major goals of content marketing it to establish the authority of the brand. You are well aware that the raison d'etre of that post is to spread awareness of and establish the authority of ScrapingBee. It doesn't mean the post is not interesting, useful or valuable. But that post exists fundamentally for marketing/brand purposes. Parents warning is completely fair, especially since they immediately point out the value of the post.

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frogpelt 5y ago
What's the point of the warning though? If you're paying attention you know it's content marketing. If you're oblivious, the marketing probably isn't working. Either way, you probably don't need a warning.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  I love warnings, because I don't have to pay as much attention.