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It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.

by Fatnino 5y ago

braymundo 5y ago
Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.
- amelius 5y ago
  Not really strange, given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections, allegedly, just saying.
  - grishka 5y ago
    As a Russian, this goes both ways. I really hate how the US tries its damnest to pretend they control the entire planet and meddles with internal politics of other countries, something they have no business even knowing about, all the time. Sovereignty? What sovereignty?
    - amelius 5y ago
      True, but that it happens on both sides is not really an argument that will make people more at ease with foreign social media apps, I suppose.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - throwaway599281 5y ago
    >given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections What has Russian done that a) Directly affects the results, such as hacking any system where electronic vote is possible. b) Any kind of propaganda or lobbying that any other country such as the USA, England or Israel don't also engage to make public opinion more sympathetic to them.
    - iszomer 5y ago
      More of option B? If it hasn't been mentioned already and I know it already is a contentious topic repeating it, the drama with J.R. was allegedly a "professional political attack": https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009 https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/149022042327069900...
- nickpp 5y ago
  Nobody has any problem with Russia the country or the Russian people. It's the current Russian government and its psychopathic leader that are freaking us out.
  - shirman 5y ago
    Still, I believe a reflection of the government deeds affects just people – entrepreneurs, projects, etc. I don't have data for that. I am just sharing my 5 cents here. People could "freak out" when they hear "it's Russian" without doing any research from their side. I hope it's not happening often. As a Russian ciz this thought disappoints me sometimes and makes me sad (and our Gov deeds too).
    - GoblinSlayer 5y ago
      That's a legacy from the Cold War.
  - deleted 5y ago
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twelve40 5y ago
> Russian gov is mad at him citation needed
- grishka 5y ago
  Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.
  - twelve40 5y ago
    It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google), just like the free-speech-loving Germany is proposing right now (1), and the Russian government chose not to do that. The "telegram blocked" story is 2 years old, currently 52% of Russian Internet users rely on Telegram every day (2) All charges against Durov personally were dropped, and he is (admittedly) rumored to visit Spb now and then, but there is no official beef with him or any of his services currently. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany-should-ban-telegram-unless-it-tackles-extremist-content-2021-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany... 2. https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-auditoriya-telegram https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-au...
    - grishka 5y ago
      > It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google) Yes, this is why Pavel blocked the Navalny bot (providing a very nonsensical explanation for it). Apple's app store is why we can't have nice things. Google Play doesn't matter nearly as much because Android allows sideloading and Telegram already makes use of that. This page https://telegram.org/android https://telegram.org/android has a prominent apk download button and an "if you want a Google Play version instead we have that too, you weirdo" link at the bottom.
- szszrk 5y ago
  Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0]. [0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824

It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.

braymundo 5y ago

Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.

amelius 5y ago
Not really strange, given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections, allegedly, just saying.
- grishka 5y ago
  As a Russian, this goes both ways. I really hate how the US tries its damnest to pretend they control the entire planet and meddles with internal politics of other countries, something they have no business even knowing about, all the time. Sovereignty? What sovereignty?
  - amelius 5y ago
    True, but that it happens on both sides is not really an argument that will make people more at ease with foreign social media apps, I suppose.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- throwaway599281 5y ago
  >given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections What has Russian done that a) Directly affects the results, such as hacking any system where electronic vote is possible. b) Any kind of propaganda or lobbying that any other country such as the USA, England or Israel don't also engage to make public opinion more sympathetic to them.
  - iszomer 5y ago
    More of option B? If it hasn't been mentioned already and I know it already is a contentious topic repeating it, the drama with J.R. was allegedly a "professional political attack": https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009 https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/149022042327069900...
nickpp 5y ago
Nobody has any problem with Russia the country or the Russian people. It's the current Russian government and its psychopathic leader that are freaking us out.
- shirman 5y ago
  Still, I believe a reflection of the government deeds affects just people – entrepreneurs, projects, etc. I don't have data for that. I am just sharing my 5 cents here. People could "freak out" when they hear "it's Russian" without doing any research from their side. I hope it's not happening often. As a Russian ciz this thought disappoints me sometimes and makes me sad (and our Gov deeds too).
  - GoblinSlayer 5y ago
    That's a legacy from the Cold War.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

twelve40 5y ago

> Russian gov is mad at him citation needed

grishka 5y ago
Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.
- twelve40 5y ago
  It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google), just like the free-speech-loving Germany is proposing right now (1), and the Russian government chose not to do that. The "telegram blocked" story is 2 years old, currently 52% of Russian Internet users rely on Telegram every day (2) All charges against Durov personally were dropped, and he is (admittedly) rumored to visit Spb now and then, but there is no official beef with him or any of his services currently. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany-should-ban-telegram-unless-it-tackles-extremist-content-2021-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany... 2. https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-auditoriya-telegram https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-au...
  - grishka 5y ago
    > It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google) Yes, this is why Pavel blocked the Navalny bot (providing a very nonsensical explanation for it). Apple's app store is why we can't have nice things. Google Play doesn't matter nearly as much because Android allows sideloading and Telegram already makes use of that. This page https://telegram.org/android https://telegram.org/android has a prominent apk download button and an "if you want a Google Play version instead we have that too, you weirdo" link at the bottom.
szszrk 5y ago
Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0]. [0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824