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It's hilarious to watch Americans get triggered at Telegram's success. I'll grab my popcorn.

by silvercove 5y ago

thwoeriu234 5y ago
- Fatnino 5y ago
  It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.
  - braymundo 5y ago
    Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.
    - amelius 5y ago
      Not really strange, given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections, allegedly, just saying.
      - grishka 5y ago
        As a Russian, this goes both ways. I really hate how the US tries its damnest to pretend they control the entire planet and meddles with internal politics of other countries, something they have no business even knowing about, all the time. Sovereignty? What sovereignty?
        amelius 5y ago
        True, but that it happens on both sides is not really an argument that will make people more at ease with foreign social media apps, I suppose.
        deleted 5y ago
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      - throwaway599281 5y ago
        >given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections What has Russian done that a) Directly affects the results, such as hacking any system where electronic vote is possible. b) Any kind of propaganda or lobbying that any other country such as the USA, England or Israel don't also engage to make public opinion more sympathetic to them.
        iszomer 5y ago
        More of option B? If it hasn't been mentioned already and I know it already is a contentious topic repeating it, the drama with J.R. was allegedly a "professional political attack": https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009 https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/149022042327069900...
    - nickpp 5y ago
      Nobody has any problem with Russia the country or the Russian people. It's the current Russian government and its psychopathic leader that are freaking us out.
      - shirman 5y ago
        Still, I believe a reflection of the government deeds affects just people – entrepreneurs, projects, etc. I don't have data for that. I am just sharing my 5 cents here. People could "freak out" when they hear "it's Russian" without doing any research from their side. I hope it's not happening often. As a Russian ciz this thought disappoints me sometimes and makes me sad (and our Gov deeds too).
        GoblinSlayer 5y ago
        That's a legacy from the Cold War.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
  - twelve40 5y ago
    > Russian gov is mad at him citation needed
    - grishka 5y ago
      Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.
      - twelve40 5y ago
        It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google), just like the free-speech-loving Germany is proposing right now (1), and the Russian government chose not to do that. The "telegram blocked" story is 2 years old, currently 52% of Russian Internet users rely on Telegram every day (2) All charges against Durov personally were dropped, and he is (admittedly) rumored to visit Spb now and then, but there is no official beef with him or any of his services currently. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany-should-ban-telegram-unless-it-tackles-extremist-content-2021-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany... 2. https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-auditoriya-telegram https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-au...
        grishka 5y ago
        > It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google) Yes, this is why Pavel blocked the Navalny bot (providing a very nonsensical explanation for it). Apple's app store is why we can't have nice things. Google Play doesn't matter nearly as much because Android allows sideloading and Telegram already makes use of that. This page https://telegram.org/android https://telegram.org/android has a prominent apk download button and an "if you want a Google Play version instead we have that too, you weirdo" link at the bottom.
    - szszrk 5y ago
      Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0]. [0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824
donw 5y ago
Nope, am American as they come and loving it.
- vinay427 5y ago
  Same. Also an American, and while I don't personally use it for some of the same reasons I try to avoid Facebook Messenger, I'm certainly not "triggered" by its success, whatever that means. It's at least nicer than close competitors like FB Messenger or Google Hangouts in my opinion.
thefz 5y ago
What is more hilarious is to see them sometimes burst out of their bubble of americentrism and realize the rest of the world is not the US.
vinay427 5y ago
What would you consider to be legitimate criticism of Telegram rather than just being “triggered at Telegram’s success?” I’m curious where you draw this line, and where you found comments from users identifiably from the US who you believe fall into the latter camp.
- strogonoff 5y ago
  A non-American’s take on Telegram: 1. Everyone I know uses it in plain-text, very few dare to (gasp) initiate secret chats (and they tend to lose chat histories every now and then). 2. At one point it had been banned by Russian authorities with a demand to disclose the E2E encryption keys. The ban was quietly lifted with a single report I could find vaguely mentioning some cooperation promises by Telegram’s leadership. What is happening beneath the curtain is anyone’s guess. 3. Last time I checked, the company that runs the servers has undisclosed structure and is liable to be manipulated by whichever entity that gains a hold of them (not even through legal mechanisms, but through direct or indirect fear for personal safety). 4. According to what I heard from friends, solvency/debt issues from the failed ICO attempt made them desperate for money. It’s not a safe private messenger, period. Even Telegram’s own advocates are switching from their old stance “Telegram is secure” to “Telegram is just best for messaging, who cares about e2e or privacy anyway” (which, incidentally, I don’t know if true in Android land, but at least on iOS Apple Messages has way superior stickers, built-in apps, etc. for those who don’t care that much about privacy).
justshowpost 5y ago

It's hilarious to watch Americans get triggered at Telegram's success. I'll grab my popcorn.

thwoeriu234 5y ago

Fatnino 5y ago
It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.
- braymundo 5y ago
  Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.
  - amelius 5y ago
    Not really strange, given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections, allegedly, just saying.
    - grishka 5y ago
      As a Russian, this goes both ways. I really hate how the US tries its damnest to pretend they control the entire planet and meddles with internal politics of other countries, something they have no business even knowing about, all the time. Sovereignty? What sovereignty?
      - amelius 5y ago
        True, but that it happens on both sides is not really an argument that will make people more at ease with foreign social media apps, I suppose.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
    - throwaway599281 5y ago
      >given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections What has Russian done that a) Directly affects the results, such as hacking any system where electronic vote is possible. b) Any kind of propaganda or lobbying that any other country such as the USA, England or Israel don't also engage to make public opinion more sympathetic to them.
      - iszomer 5y ago
        More of option B? If it hasn't been mentioned already and I know it already is a contentious topic repeating it, the drama with J.R. was allegedly a "professional political attack": https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009 https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/149022042327069900...
  - nickpp 5y ago
    Nobody has any problem with Russia the country or the Russian people. It's the current Russian government and its psychopathic leader that are freaking us out.
    - shirman 5y ago
      Still, I believe a reflection of the government deeds affects just people – entrepreneurs, projects, etc. I don't have data for that. I am just sharing my 5 cents here. People could "freak out" when they hear "it's Russian" without doing any research from their side. I hope it's not happening often. As a Russian ciz this thought disappoints me sometimes and makes me sad (and our Gov deeds too).
      - GoblinSlayer 5y ago
        That's a legacy from the Cold War.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
- twelve40 5y ago
  > Russian gov is mad at him citation needed
  - grishka 5y ago
    Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.
    - twelve40 5y ago
      It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google), just like the free-speech-loving Germany is proposing right now (1), and the Russian government chose not to do that. The "telegram blocked" story is 2 years old, currently 52% of Russian Internet users rely on Telegram every day (2) All charges against Durov personally were dropped, and he is (admittedly) rumored to visit Spb now and then, but there is no official beef with him or any of his services currently. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany-should-ban-telegram-unless-it-tackles-extremist-content-2021-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany... 2. https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-auditoriya-telegram https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-au...
      - grishka 5y ago
        > It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google) Yes, this is why Pavel blocked the Navalny bot (providing a very nonsensical explanation for it). Apple's app store is why we can't have nice things. Google Play doesn't matter nearly as much because Android allows sideloading and Telegram already makes use of that. This page https://telegram.org/android https://telegram.org/android has a prominent apk download button and an "if you want a Google Play version instead we have that too, you weirdo" link at the bottom.
  - szszrk 5y ago
    Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0]. [0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824

donw 5y ago

Nope, am American as they come and loving it.

vinay427 5y ago
Same. Also an American, and while I don't personally use it for some of the same reasons I try to avoid Facebook Messenger, I'm certainly not "triggered" by its success, whatever that means. It's at least nicer than close competitors like FB Messenger or Google Hangouts in my opinion.

thefz 5y ago

What is more hilarious is to see them sometimes burst out of their bubble of americentrism and realize the rest of the world is not the US.

vinay427 5y ago

What would you consider to be legitimate criticism of Telegram rather than just being “triggered at Telegram’s success?” I’m curious where you draw this line, and where you found comments from users identifiably from the US who you believe fall into the latter camp.

strogonoff 5y ago
A non-American’s take on Telegram: 1. Everyone I know uses it in plain-text, very few dare to (gasp) initiate secret chats (and they tend to lose chat histories every now and then). 2. At one point it had been banned by Russian authorities with a demand to disclose the E2E encryption keys. The ban was quietly lifted with a single report I could find vaguely mentioning some cooperation promises by Telegram’s leadership. What is happening beneath the curtain is anyone’s guess. 3. Last time I checked, the company that runs the servers has undisclosed structure and is liable to be manipulated by whichever entity that gains a hold of them (not even through legal mechanisms, but through direct or indirect fear for personal safety). 4. According to what I heard from friends, solvency/debt issues from the failed ICO attempt made them desperate for money. It’s not a safe private messenger, period. Even Telegram’s own advocates are switching from their old stance “Telegram is secure” to “Telegram is just best for messaging, who cares about e2e or privacy anyway” (which, incidentally, I don’t know if true in Android land, but at least on iOS Apple Messages has way superior stickers, built-in apps, etc. for those who don’t care that much about privacy).

justshowpost 5y ago