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Would be interested to see footage from other companies like Cruise, any open beta testing footage like this?

by plasma 5y ago

api 5y ago
Bad news about Tesla is better click bait so you won’t hear about screwups with those. It’s like how there are thousands of gasoline fires a year but stop the presses if an EV goes up.
- randoglando 5y ago
  > It’s like how there are thousands of gasoline fires a year but stop the presses if an EV goes up. It's because EVs are new, and people want to know the risks. Granted, it would be nice for reporting to also mention that gasoline fires are as or more common, and or state the distinctions between fires from a gas vehicle v/s an EV.
threeseed 5y ago
No. Because Cruise isn't stupid or reckless enough to (a) have open betas and (b) deliver FSD at all without some form of human backup.
- aantix 5y ago
  Their taxis they just launched in SF are driverless? https://mobile.twitter.com/kvogt/status/1488559060785975298 https://mobile.twitter.com/kvogt/status/1488559060785975298
  - threeseed 5y ago
    They are monitored by professional humans who take over in the event of any issues. No offence to Tesla owners but too many of them don't take the limitations of FSD seriously enough.
    - aantix 5y ago
      Where is the professional in the video above (the one in the tweet)? Just two passengers in the back seat.
paxys 5y ago
Cruise and Waymo have both had fully driverless taxis running for the public for quite some time. If either of them had ever tried to murder a passenger or passerby I'm sure we would have heard about it.
jowday 5y ago
There’s tons of videos of Waymo’s service in Chandler.
kevinsundar 5y ago
There's a fundamental difference between LIDAR based self driving and vision based. The difference is LIDAR tells you EXACTLY where EVERY possible obstacle is. It easy to develop logic to avoid hitting something else. With vision, you're basically having a machine learning model guess where the object is, its size, etc. So there's a chance of failing the basic task of knowing that there's something possible to hit.
- andbberger 5y ago
  Well, you still have to do perception on the lidar data to segment the road surface and classify objects. But it is a much easier problem (takes you from infeasible to extremely hard).

Would be interested to see footage from other companies like Cruise, any open beta testing footage like this?

by plasma 5y ago

Would be interested to see footage from other companies like Cruise, any open beta testing footage like this?

api 5y ago

Bad news about Tesla is better click bait so you won’t hear about screwups with those. It’s like how there are thousands of gasoline fires a year but stop the presses if an EV goes up.

randoglando 5y ago
> It’s like how there are thousands of gasoline fires a year but stop the presses if an EV goes up. It's because EVs are new, and people want to know the risks. Granted, it would be nice for reporting to also mention that gasoline fires are as or more common, and or state the distinctions between fires from a gas vehicle v/s an EV.

threeseed 5y ago

No. Because Cruise isn't stupid or reckless enough to (a) have open betas and (b) deliver FSD at all without some form of human backup.

aantix 5y ago
Their taxis they just launched in SF are driverless? https://mobile.twitter.com/kvogt/status/1488559060785975298 https://mobile.twitter.com/kvogt/status/1488559060785975298
- threeseed 5y ago
  They are monitored by professional humans who take over in the event of any issues. No offence to Tesla owners but too many of them don't take the limitations of FSD seriously enough.
  - aantix 5y ago
    Where is the professional in the video above (the one in the tweet)? Just two passengers in the back seat.

paxys 5y ago

Cruise and Waymo have both had fully driverless taxis running for the public for quite some time. If either of them had ever tried to murder a passenger or passerby I'm sure we would have heard about it.

jowday 5y ago

There’s tons of videos of Waymo’s service in Chandler.

kevinsundar 5y ago

There's a fundamental difference between LIDAR based self driving and vision based. The difference is LIDAR tells you EXACTLY where EVERY possible obstacle is. It easy to develop logic to avoid hitting something else. With vision, you're basically having a machine learning model guess where the object is, its size, etc. So there's a chance of failing the basic task of knowing that there's something possible to hit.

andbberger 5y ago
Well, you still have to do perception on the lidar data to segment the road surface and classify objects. But it is a much easier problem (takes you from infeasible to extremely hard).