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In general I'd say that's a poor reason to turn a place down but in this specific instance of Microsoft Teams I sympathize. It won't just be Teams. There's Out
by JonChesterfield 5y ago
In general I'd say that's a poor reason to turn a place down but in this specific instance of Microsoft Teams I sympathize.
It won't just be Teams. There's Outlook too. And they each have their own calendar that people will use. And where there is the Microsoft stack there will be putty, WindowsN laptops and probably the drive encryption thing that occasionally bricks said laptop.
It might be limited to company broadcasts and similar though. If the dev effort is built on a Unix derivative and irc with Teams on a corporate laptop you can leave in a cupboard most days, not so bad.
- user_named 5y agoI'd definitely prefer to use Outlook and Office over Gmail and Gdocs.
- movedx 5y agoThen I'd say you're in a very small, shrinking minority. Outlook is garbage. Office is slow due to feature float that people don't even use. There's a reason Google Documents doesn't have mail mergers and the crap Word does - no one uses it.
- kyawzazaw 5y agoOutlook works fine to me. Honestly, don't think it is any bad to reject any offer.
- movedx 5y agoI agree it's NOT a valid reason to reject a job offer. That's just silly.
- disgruntledphd2 5y agoI don't feel like this is true. Do you really like Google Calendar? Cos that's the part of G-suite that I hate the most, and Outlook calendar is far, far better. Mind you, I much prefer gmail search to outlook search, but Google Calendar is so annoying to use that I'll vote for MS tools (except Teams) every day of the week.
- movedx 5y agoI've never compared the two. You might be a power user of the calendar, so Outlook's advanced functionality is important to you. My needs are simple (by design) and so a simple solution is just that: simple.
- disgruntledphd2 5y agoMy needs are not complicated, but I definitely found Google Calendar difficult to use (I use it personally on my Android, and it's definitely pretty annoying). I'd prefer to use Google web based tools if possible, but Gcal is just really unintuitive, to me at least.
- xmcqdpt2 5y agoMe too and I'm surprised this is at all controversial. Word is a native app with important features (structural elements, templates, macros etc), real time collaborative editing, fully customizable keybindings, bibliography management, mathematical equation editor with latex symbols, etc. Google Docs is a slow, web-based, nerfed clone of it. If you just have to write the occasional memo then sure, Google Docs is serviceable. However if documents are an important part of my job, I want to be doing them in Word. (I've even put emacs keybindings in it.)
- Brian_K_White 5y agoDevelopers/sysadmins, and people for whom documents matter remotely that much, are two different groups of people. It's a tool for tools.
- sushid 5y agoHNers have strange hills they want to die on. Sure, all else being equal something like Teams vs Slack might make me switch to one company over another but it's not a dealbreaker by any means. Things like language or framework, I can understand (to a certain degree) but giving up an otherwise awesome job because of Slack vs Teams is ludicrous to me.
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- kyawzazaw 5y agoI agree. The only thing Teams and Slack really differ is probably the channels and threads. And it is not that confusing.
- ReactiveJelly 5y agoIdk. The Outlook web client takes like 20 seconds to load. I'd use a desktop client, but MS' SMTP server doesn't work, so I can only receive emails on my desktop, not send them.
- santoshalper 5y agoNot to be pedantic, but Teams and Outlook share the same calendar. They each have a view of it, but it's the same content. Under the hood, teams just hits the OWA calendar API.
- JonChesterfield 5y agoMaybe, if 'content' is defined appropriately. They do seem to agree on the times and existence of events in eventually consistent fashion. One can show other people's calenders and the other won't. Meetings can be joined from one but not the other. The result of creating a new meeting is different depending on which entry point is used. So I end up with both outlook/calender and teams/calender open, and frequently guess incorrectly which window to use for the operation because they look similar. The web app is a different slice of behaviour again. This seems like something Microsoft had to go out of their way to achieve - write basically the same thing three times to basically the same spec and have them all look and behave somewhat differently. Though I concede the redundancy is useful when one is broken. Today one had audio and one didn't.