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Speaking as a cyclist of many years, maybe the system is just modelling human drivers a little too accurately.

by hnzix 5y ago

beepbooptheory 5y ago
Ha! Yes. This is definitely terrible, but its some variation of what I survive through every day anyway. But still, even before this clip, I make sure to stay far away from Teslas if I see them out, they are just scary to me..
- jws 5y ago
  As a driver in the beta program, unless there is a lot of clearance I generally take over when passing a bike. Not so much because I don't trust the software, but because I don't trust the bicyclist! Around here none of them signal. They appear to assume that you recognized the 250ms glance under their armpit they made two seconds ago as a formal and legally binding declaration of intent and just swerve across the non-bike lane to make their left while running the stop sign. (Old suburban smallish grid blocks with >50% stop sign coverage, so I guess it makes them grumpy.) Also, a plea to other drivers… Please! Stay off the bumper of Teslas. The software is generally cautious and gets spooked. It rapidly decelerates a couple miles per hour in preparation for a full on evasion, which wouldn't be a problem for a driver with a sane following distance, but if you are close enough to angrily look down at my speed limit driving head through my glass roof things could get a little awkward.
  - idontknowifican 5y ago
    can u imagine telling other people to drive differently so your car works?
    - they4kman 5y ago
      I do that a lot already, in my dumb car.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Even before self-driving cars, you've always been supposed to leave enough room that you won't rear-end the car in front of you if it suddenly brakes hard.
  - cassianoleal 5y ago
    > Around here none of them signal It is not always safe to remove one hand from the handlebar to signal. In fact, in a lot of urban spaces, it's downright dangerous given the bad quality of the streets. Another reason why cyclists don't signal is when they notice a car too close or too aggressive. In this situation, it's best to have full control of the bike. The cyclist is not a threat to your life. At most to the exterior of your car. You are a threat to their life. They don't want you to crash on them or the other way around. Give them space and it should be fine.
  - ecf 5y ago
    Do you go around posting every anecdote you have about bad drivers too?
rodgerd 5y ago
Kind of like running stop signs, I guess.
- wcarron 5y ago
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cameronh90 5y ago
I've had humans literally drive at me with the express intent of seriously injuring or killing me. At least with the Tesla it's just going to kill you through its own stupidity...
- wcarron 5y ago
  Dead is dead, no? Ride safe and keep it in the big ring, lol.
nonesuchluck 5y ago
Pretty poor execution by Tesla though. It didn't even honk and yell "ride on the sidewalk, moron!"
- Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
  Well that’s what these betas are for, iron out the bugs like this. Rumour has it in the next couple of versions the car will look for cyclists in its rear facing cameras so it can open the door right into them.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Not a far-fetched request given they already have ways to replace the horn via the exterior speaker.

Speaking as a cyclist of many years, maybe the system is just modelling human drivers a little too accurately.

by hnzix 5y ago

Speaking as a cyclist of many years, maybe the system is just modelling human drivers a little too accurately.

Ha! Yes. This is definitely terrible, but its some variation of what I survive through every day anyway. But still, even before this clip, I make sure to stay far away from Teslas if I see them out, they are just scary to me..

jws 5y ago
As a driver in the beta program, unless there is a lot of clearance I generally take over when passing a bike. Not so much because I don't trust the software, but because I don't trust the bicyclist! Around here none of them signal. They appear to assume that you recognized the 250ms glance under their armpit they made two seconds ago as a formal and legally binding declaration of intent and just swerve across the non-bike lane to make their left while running the stop sign. (Old suburban smallish grid blocks with >50% stop sign coverage, so I guess it makes them grumpy.) Also, a plea to other drivers… Please! Stay off the bumper of Teslas. The software is generally cautious and gets spooked. It rapidly decelerates a couple miles per hour in preparation for a full on evasion, which wouldn't be a problem for a driver with a sane following distance, but if you are close enough to angrily look down at my speed limit driving head through my glass roof things could get a little awkward.
- idontknowifican 5y ago
  can u imagine telling other people to drive differently so your car works?
  - they4kman 5y ago
    I do that a lot already, in my dumb car.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Even before self-driving cars, you've always been supposed to leave enough room that you won't rear-end the car in front of you if it suddenly brakes hard.
- cassianoleal 5y ago
  > Around here none of them signal It is not always safe to remove one hand from the handlebar to signal. In fact, in a lot of urban spaces, it's downright dangerous given the bad quality of the streets. Another reason why cyclists don't signal is when they notice a car too close or too aggressive. In this situation, it's best to have full control of the bike. The cyclist is not a threat to your life. At most to the exterior of your car. You are a threat to their life. They don't want you to crash on them or the other way around. Give them space and it should be fine.
- ecf 5y ago
  Do you go around posting every anecdote you have about bad drivers too?

rodgerd 5y ago

Kind of like running stop signs, I guess.

wcarron 5y ago
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cameronh90 5y ago

I've had humans literally drive at me with the express intent of seriously injuring or killing me. At least with the Tesla it's just going to kill you through its own stupidity...

wcarron 5y ago
Dead is dead, no? Ride safe and keep it in the big ring, lol.

nonesuchluck 5y ago

Pretty poor execution by Tesla though. It didn't even honk and yell "ride on the sidewalk, moron!"

Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
Well that’s what these betas are for, iron out the bugs like this. Rumour has it in the next couple of versions the car will look for cyclists in its rear facing cameras so it can open the door right into them.
judge2020 5y ago
Not a far-fetched request given they already have ways to replace the horn via the exterior speaker.