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That is damning evidence if we assume people can't change, but also depends on the context around it. For example I can say right now if you are under 30 and y

That is damning evidence if we assume people can't change, but also depends on the context around it. For example I can say right now if you are under 30 and your only option is to get Moderna don't take it. Wait until you can get something else. Risks/reward doesn't make sense, but as a result you should keep isolating until you have your double shot.

weeblewobble 5y ago
No idea what you're talking about, not interested in debating efficacy of vaccines on here, just pushing back on the idea that calling Joe Rogan anti-vaxx is an "outright lie"
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  As I've said multiple times I've only listened to the two new controvertial "antivax" episodes since he moved to Spotify. Maybe Rogan is antivax, but I did not get that from those two episodes. And if you are curious you can search for Moderna in under 30 year old men.
Karsteski 5y ago
Hmm... I got Moderna shots. Am I gonna melt into a puddle..? Real talk though, what's wrong with Moderna?
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  It increases chances of inflamation of heart muscle in young men. If you've had it already then you are fine, but Moderna is not adviced for men under 30.
  - Karsteski 5y ago
    Thanks for the info anyways :)
- parrellel 5y ago
  1/8th the chance of Covid of giving you mild myocarditis. Unlike with Covid, it tends to resolve within a couple months.
  - masonic 5y ago
    Far less than 12.5% of the general population gets Covid symptoms at all, though.
    - croon 5y ago
      They're not saying 1 out of 8 vaccinations gives symptoms, but that covid is 8 times likelier than the vaccine to cause those symptoms. From [0]: > They found that, during the first 12 months of the pandemic, males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections. > This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection. That's about ~7 times likelier from covid than vaccines. No data specifically on omicron (yet) though. [0] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocardi...
nradov 5y ago
There was never any valid reason for healthy people under 30 to be isolating.

weeblewobble 5y ago

No idea what you're talking about, not interested in debating efficacy of vaccines on here, just pushing back on the idea that calling Joe Rogan anti-vaxx is an "outright lie"

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
As I've said multiple times I've only listened to the two new controvertial "antivax" episodes since he moved to Spotify. Maybe Rogan is antivax, but I did not get that from those two episodes. And if you are curious you can search for Moderna in under 30 year old men.

Karsteski 5y ago

Hmm... I got Moderna shots. Am I gonna melt into a puddle..? Real talk though, what's wrong with Moderna?

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
It increases chances of inflamation of heart muscle in young men. If you've had it already then you are fine, but Moderna is not adviced for men under 30.
- Karsteski 5y ago
  Thanks for the info anyways :)
parrellel 5y ago
1/8th the chance of Covid of giving you mild myocarditis. Unlike with Covid, it tends to resolve within a couple months.
- masonic 5y ago
  Far less than 12.5% of the general population gets Covid symptoms at all, though.
  - croon 5y ago
    They're not saying 1 out of 8 vaccinations gives symptoms, but that covid is 8 times likelier than the vaccine to cause those symptoms. From [0]: > They found that, during the first 12 months of the pandemic, males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections. > This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection. That's about ~7 times likelier from covid than vaccines. No data specifically on omicron (yet) though. [0] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocardi...

nradov 5y ago

There was never any valid reason for healthy people under 30 to be isolating.