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My heart had wild palpitations for several days in the midst of having covid and post covid my resting heart rate is ~20bpm higher during the day and ~30 bpm hi

by ProAm 5y ago

My heart had wild palpitations for several days in the midst of having covid and post covid my resting heart rate is ~20bpm higher during the day and ~30 bpm higher during the night.

arghnoname 5y ago
I had a very similar reaction that correlates to getting the vaccine. It took months for my resting heart rate to return to pre-vaccination levels. Maybe this means I would have died had I caught covid, maybe not, no way to know. It's scary how much this spike protein / immune response / etc seems to provoke adverse cardiovascular responses, even if there is full recovery in most of us.
- dv_dt 5y ago
  The vaccine is the safer controlled introduction to it in comparison to getting a full covid exposure. In a full covid case w/o being vaccinated would introduce more spike protein as well as a exposure to the sequences of the rest of the virus which could cause all sorts of other issues.
- nwiswell 5y ago
  > It's scary how much this spike protein / immune response / etc seems to provoke adverse cardiovascular responses, even if there is full recovery in most of us. Honestly I am wondering if this is sampling bias. Have we ever paid this much concentrated attention to a disease? When you consider what a virus does to the body, it seems likely that many other viruses that have been endemic for millennia have been wreaking pernicious havoc on our bodies and we just... shrugged it off. Anyplace the body heals from a significant physical injury, there is a scar. It's never a perfect restoration. It seems almost intuitive that the damage from a virus would be similar, and there is documented evidence that COVID will attack neurons.
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  - dv_dt 5y ago
    If you look at Fig1, describing the cohort selection, this study has two control groups. A historical as well as a contemporary control group. This gives an two different sample sources to reason about sampling bias. The data presented here are very likely not bias in the way your describing as it because of the contrast to both controls that would capture "it's always been that way" effect.
    - nwiswell 5y ago
      > The data presented here are very likely not bias in the way your describing as it because of the contrast to both controls that would capture "it's always been that way" effect. That's not really what I said -- I'm not actually taking a stance on the conclusions of this paper. COVID has obviously been infecting massive numbers of people in the last couple of years, and if it is responsible for long-term cardiovascular sequelae as the paper concludes, of course it would be a more acute contributor over that period as compared to other historical causes simply by virtue of its pervasiveness. Rather what I said is that the disease itself may not be causing "havoc" in the body at rates significantly different than other endemic viruses ("havoc" writ large: not only confined to cardiovascular sequelae, but among any long-term systemic harms). The bias that I am proposing is that we are _noticing_ these sequelae because A) so many people are getting sick at the same time, and B) because we are paying this much attention for the first time ever.
      - dv_dt 5y ago
        Other endemic viruses that don’t show up in the historical control group? What definition of endemic are you thinking of?
        nwiswell 5y ago
        Like I just emphasized, they may not show up as statistically significant because A) they are not pandemic, so the effect is of course much smaller B) their impact is not necessarily primarily cardiovascular Here's a non-exhaustive list of viruses with potentially overlooked sequelae. Shingles (herpes zoster) Rubella Rotavirus RSV Norovirus HPV Hepatitis Influenza This is totally orthogonal to any possible defects in this study, which again I am not taking any stance on. It's merely a question of whether this study is anomalous for having been conducted in the first place. If we assume that the study is flawless, that means that COVID has long term health impacts -- fine -- but do we actually know if that's unusual for a virus?
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- james_burden 5y ago
  I had already had covid 2x prior to general vaccine availability. I got totally owned in the short term but was back to working out pretty quick. The second Moderna shot completely wrecked me in a way having covid didn't, I had severe heart palps/skips for weeks. Sitting/standing at my desk and just having one after the other and would lose my breath between them. After that decided boosters could fuck off.
  - packetlost 5y ago
    Just wait until the government mandates you need the booster to participate in society :^)

by ProAm 5y ago

My heart had wild palpitations for several days in the midst of having covid and post covid my resting heart rate is ~20bpm higher during the day and ~30 bpm higher during the night.

arghnoname 5y ago

I had a very similar reaction that correlates to getting the vaccine. It took months for my resting heart rate to return to pre-vaccination levels. Maybe this means I would have died had I caught covid, maybe not, no way to know. It's scary how much this spike protein / immune response / etc seems to provoke adverse cardiovascular responses, even if there is full recovery in most of us.

dv_dt 5y ago
The vaccine is the safer controlled introduction to it in comparison to getting a full covid exposure. In a full covid case w/o being vaccinated would introduce more spike protein as well as a exposure to the sequences of the rest of the virus which could cause all sorts of other issues.
nwiswell 5y ago
> It's scary how much this spike protein / immune response / etc seems to provoke adverse cardiovascular responses, even if there is full recovery in most of us. Honestly I am wondering if this is sampling bias. Have we ever paid this much concentrated attention to a disease? When you consider what a virus does to the body, it seems likely that many other viruses that have been endemic for millennia have been wreaking pernicious havoc on our bodies and we just... shrugged it off. Anyplace the body heals from a significant physical injury, there is a scar. It's never a perfect restoration. It seems almost intuitive that the damage from a virus would be similar, and there is documented evidence that COVID will attack neurons.
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- dv_dt 5y ago
  If you look at Fig1, describing the cohort selection, this study has two control groups. A historical as well as a contemporary control group. This gives an two different sample sources to reason about sampling bias. The data presented here are very likely not bias in the way your describing as it because of the contrast to both controls that would capture "it's always been that way" effect.
  - nwiswell 5y ago
    > The data presented here are very likely not bias in the way your describing as it because of the contrast to both controls that would capture "it's always been that way" effect. That's not really what I said -- I'm not actually taking a stance on the conclusions of this paper. COVID has obviously been infecting massive numbers of people in the last couple of years, and if it is responsible for long-term cardiovascular sequelae as the paper concludes, of course it would be a more acute contributor over that period as compared to other historical causes simply by virtue of its pervasiveness. Rather what I said is that the disease itself may not be causing "havoc" in the body at rates significantly different than other endemic viruses ("havoc" writ large: not only confined to cardiovascular sequelae, but among any long-term systemic harms). The bias that I am proposing is that we are _noticing_ these sequelae because A) so many people are getting sick at the same time, and B) because we are paying this much attention for the first time ever.
    - dv_dt 5y ago
      Other endemic viruses that don’t show up in the historical control group? What definition of endemic are you thinking of?
      - nwiswell 5y ago
        Like I just emphasized, they may not show up as statistically significant because A) they are not pandemic, so the effect is of course much smaller B) their impact is not necessarily primarily cardiovascular Here's a non-exhaustive list of viruses with potentially overlooked sequelae. Shingles (herpes zoster) Rubella Rotavirus RSV Norovirus HPV Hepatitis Influenza This is totally orthogonal to any possible defects in this study, which again I am not taking any stance on. It's merely a question of whether this study is anomalous for having been conducted in the first place. If we assume that the study is flawless, that means that COVID has long term health impacts -- fine -- but do we actually know if that's unusual for a virus?
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james_burden 5y ago
I had already had covid 2x prior to general vaccine availability. I got totally owned in the short term but was back to working out pretty quick. The second Moderna shot completely wrecked me in a way having covid didn't, I had severe heart palps/skips for weeks. Sitting/standing at my desk and just having one after the other and would lose my breath between them. After that decided boosters could fuck off.
- packetlost 5y ago
  Just wait until the government mandates you need the booster to participate in society :^)