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This isn’t surprising. The father suspended the constitution (because that’s a thing over there??) over a manufactured panic over terrorists planting bombs in m

This isn’t surprising. The father suspended the constitution (because that’s a thing over there??) over a manufactured panic over terrorists planting bombs in mailbox (Feds later got busted doing it, quite literally red-handed) [0]. He also maintained a close personal friendship with dictators such as Fidel Castro [1] [2], a man of great respect for humans right who didn’t hesitate to round up the gays in labor camps. Seems like the son is trying to do the same with the truckers. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police#Break-ins_and_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involvin... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-eulogy-parody/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-e... [2] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-justin-trudeau-castro_n_583a000ce4b09b605600b793 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-justin-trudeau-castr...

drno123 5y ago
AlexandrB 5y ago
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- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > but Donald Trump called MBS his "friend" after he had a US journalist chopped up in an embassy He did so while giving billions to their worst enemy (Israel). > That's not even mentioning the cozy relationship between Trump and Putin. I remember 4 years of the news telling me the "indictments" for collusion with Russia were "about to drop any day now". And yet nothing happened.
- api 5y ago
  Money has always trumped (pun intended? up to you) ethics and principle when it comes to foreign policy in the US. Saudi Arabia has a lot of money so they can do what they want. It's probably the same in Canada.
nneonneo 5y ago
I don’t know what specific “suspension of the constitution” you’re referring to, but if it was the October Crisis, that was the activation of the War Measures Act (martial law) in response to the FLQ kidnapping of a British diplomat and a regional politician, not bombings.
wk_end 5y ago
> The father suspended the constitution [...] over a manufactured panic over terrorists planting bombs in mailbox Without speaking in support of it: as far as I know (and as far as your sources indicate) Pierre Trudeau's infamous 1970 invocation of the War Measures Act to temporarily suspend civil liberties had nothing to do with Operation Bricole, which didn't even start until 1972; it concerned the (real, not manufactured) kidnapping and murder of Pierre Laporte, among various other (real, not manufactured) terrorist activities. See [0] for more details. Moreover: the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms didn't even exist in 1970, so it's not quite accurate to say that Trudeau "suspended the constitution" then. In fact, he's the one who, in 1982, led the charge to create a Canadian constitution and attendant protected rights [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and...
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > had nothing to do with Operation Bricole, which didn't even start until 1972 So the feds did get busted planting bombs to blame it on some terror organization. Just, not right away. That kinda makes what happened before they got busted suspicious doesn't it. > it concerned the (real, not manufactured) kidnapping and murder of Pierre Laporte, among various other (real, not manufactured) terrorist activities But the feds did get busted for doing the same thing... so that was manufactured. But these incidents were real and not manufactured... ok... Weren’t they famously not even able to rule out a suicide and convict someone not even in the room when he died? > Moreover: the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms didn't even exist in 1970, so it's not quite accurate to say that Trudeau "suspended the constitution" then. In fact, he's the one who, in 1982, led the charge to create a Canadian constitution Wow so there was not even a constitution to suspend? And didn't like, a third of the population just not sign it? Honestly the more I hear about it the more it sounds surreal. I don’t think this would fly in America.
  - wk_end 5y ago
    > So the feds did get busted planting bombs to blame it on some terror organization. Just, not right away. That kinda makes what happened before they got busted suspicious doesn't it. Not really, unless you're the sort of person who believes that, say, the FBI's fake terror plots in the wake of 9/11 are proof that Bush did 9/11. Which you might be, I guess. > Weren’t they famously not even able to rule out a suicide and convict someone not even in the room when he died? No, it was certainly not a suicide; there's some who think that it might've been an accident instead of a deliberate murder, but there's little case for that. Paul Rose was one of the terrorists convicted of murder and there's some question of whether he was actually present when he died (a government report ten years after the fact believes that he wasn't; a recorded confession from a wiretapped conversation suggests he was), but there's ultimately no question that known Québécois separatist terrorists were responsible for the kidnapping and death. The FLQ took responsibility for the kidnapping and made demands for his safe return; several of the convicted, to their death beds, refused to repent for their actions. In order to believe that this was some kind of False Flag, you'd have to imagine that people were willing to pretend to be terrorists, ardently support a cause in the public eye for the better part of decade, go to prison for several years, and maintain the act for their rest of their lives, so that...Trudeau could invoke the War Measures act for a brief period of time. > Wow so there was not even a constitution to suspend? And didn't like, a third of the population just not sign it? Honestly the more I hear about it the more it sounds surreal. I don’t think this would fly in America. Well, no, it wouldn't fly in America, because (this is a bugbear of mine) Canada is a different country than America, with different laws, values, systems of government, and, yes, constitutional rights, which Canada did not even have at the time. The Canadian system of government was modelled after the UK, and the UK still doesn't have any notion of constitutional rights - nor do most other countries, even first-world democratic nations like Australia or New Zealand. Canada continues to have a Queen, which also wouldn't fly in America. I'm not sure what you mean by "a third of the population [didn't] sign it". They didn't go door-to-door and ask everyone if they wanted to sign up for constitutional rights. Quebec hasn't endorsed the Canada Act, but that very well may have nothing to do with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that's a part of it; it very well may just be an attempt to stonewall the federal government or fight its legitimacy if they feel it's needed. Quebec's relationship to the rest of Canada is complicated, as the phrase "Québécois separatist terrorists" might imply.
afterburner 5y ago
"Manufactured panic"? The FLQ murdered the Vice-Premier of Quebec. (Premiers are like Governors in the US.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu%C3%A9bec#October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu...
9oliYQjP 5y ago
The FLQ kidnapped a British cabinet minister then murdered a Quebec politician responsible for immigration. There's a lot more to the October Crisis and the invocation of the War Measures Act than you are alluding to. I hope that you simply haven't been informed about the full picture here. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/october-crisis https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/october-cr...
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drno123 5y ago

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908B64B197 5y ago
> but Donald Trump called MBS his "friend" after he had a US journalist chopped up in an embassy He did so while giving billions to their worst enemy (Israel). > That's not even mentioning the cozy relationship between Trump and Putin. I remember 4 years of the news telling me the "indictments" for collusion with Russia were "about to drop any day now". And yet nothing happened.
api 5y ago
Money has always trumped (pun intended? up to you) ethics and principle when it comes to foreign policy in the US. Saudi Arabia has a lot of money so they can do what they want. It's probably the same in Canada.

nneonneo 5y ago

I don’t know what specific “suspension of the constitution” you’re referring to, but if it was the October Crisis, that was the activation of the War Measures Act (martial law) in response to the FLQ kidnapping of a British diplomat and a regional politician, not bombings.

wk_end 5y ago

> The father suspended the constitution [...] over a manufactured panic over terrorists planting bombs in mailbox Without speaking in support of it: as far as I know (and as far as your sources indicate) Pierre Trudeau's infamous 1970 invocation of the War Measures Act to temporarily suspend civil liberties had nothing to do with Operation Bricole, which didn't even start until 1972; it concerned the (real, not manufactured) kidnapping and murder of Pierre Laporte, among various other (real, not manufactured) terrorist activities. See [0] for more details. Moreover: the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms didn't even exist in 1970, so it's not quite accurate to say that Trudeau "suspended the constitution" then. In fact, he's the one who, in 1982, led the charge to create a Canadian constitution and attendant protected rights [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and...

908B64B197 5y ago
> had nothing to do with Operation Bricole, which didn't even start until 1972 So the feds did get busted planting bombs to blame it on some terror organization. Just, not right away. That kinda makes what happened before they got busted suspicious doesn't it. > it concerned the (real, not manufactured) kidnapping and murder of Pierre Laporte, among various other (real, not manufactured) terrorist activities But the feds did get busted for doing the same thing... so that was manufactured. But these incidents were real and not manufactured... ok... Weren’t they famously not even able to rule out a suicide and convict someone not even in the room when he died? > Moreover: the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms didn't even exist in 1970, so it's not quite accurate to say that Trudeau "suspended the constitution" then. In fact, he's the one who, in 1982, led the charge to create a Canadian constitution Wow so there was not even a constitution to suspend? And didn't like, a third of the population just not sign it? Honestly the more I hear about it the more it sounds surreal. I don’t think this would fly in America.
- wk_end 5y ago
  > So the feds did get busted planting bombs to blame it on some terror organization. Just, not right away. That kinda makes what happened before they got busted suspicious doesn't it. Not really, unless you're the sort of person who believes that, say, the FBI's fake terror plots in the wake of 9/11 are proof that Bush did 9/11. Which you might be, I guess. > Weren’t they famously not even able to rule out a suicide and convict someone not even in the room when he died? No, it was certainly not a suicide; there's some who think that it might've been an accident instead of a deliberate murder, but there's little case for that. Paul Rose was one of the terrorists convicted of murder and there's some question of whether he was actually present when he died (a government report ten years after the fact believes that he wasn't; a recorded confession from a wiretapped conversation suggests he was), but there's ultimately no question that known Québécois separatist terrorists were responsible for the kidnapping and death. The FLQ took responsibility for the kidnapping and made demands for his safe return; several of the convicted, to their death beds, refused to repent for their actions. In order to believe that this was some kind of False Flag, you'd have to imagine that people were willing to pretend to be terrorists, ardently support a cause in the public eye for the better part of decade, go to prison for several years, and maintain the act for their rest of their lives, so that...Trudeau could invoke the War Measures act for a brief period of time. > Wow so there was not even a constitution to suspend? And didn't like, a third of the population just not sign it? Honestly the more I hear about it the more it sounds surreal. I don’t think this would fly in America. Well, no, it wouldn't fly in America, because (this is a bugbear of mine) Canada is a different country than America, with different laws, values, systems of government, and, yes, constitutional rights, which Canada did not even have at the time. The Canadian system of government was modelled after the UK, and the UK still doesn't have any notion of constitutional rights - nor do most other countries, even first-world democratic nations like Australia or New Zealand. Canada continues to have a Queen, which also wouldn't fly in America. I'm not sure what you mean by "a third of the population [didn't] sign it". They didn't go door-to-door and ask everyone if they wanted to sign up for constitutional rights. Quebec hasn't endorsed the Canada Act, but that very well may have nothing to do with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that's a part of it; it very well may just be an attempt to stonewall the federal government or fight its legitimacy if they feel it's needed. Quebec's relationship to the rest of Canada is complicated, as the phrase "Québécois separatist terrorists" might imply.

afterburner 5y ago

"Manufactured panic"? The FLQ murdered the Vice-Premier of Quebec. (Premiers are like Governors in the US.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu%C3%A9bec#October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu...

9oliYQjP 5y ago

The FLQ kidnapped a British cabinet minister then murdered a Quebec politician responsible for immigration. There's a lot more to the October Crisis and the invocation of the War Measures Act than you are alluding to. I hope that you simply haven't been informed about the full picture here. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/october-crisis https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/october-cr...

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