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It means legally speaking you can't even go for a run or to a supermarket without one. Of course, it turns out you absolutely can if you're not 'suspicious'. A

It means legally speaking you can't even go for a run or to a supermarket without one. Of course, it turns out you absolutely can if you're not 'suspicious'. A colleague of mine is short, bald, and wears a keffiyeh. He gets stopped for identity checks from time to time. I am never stopped (obviously, this does give away my skin colour and the fact that I have an unassuming or conformist appearance).

magicalhippo 5y ago
As a step to combat racial profiling the police here in Oslo, capital of Norway, will likely soon[1] have to give a receipt[2] if they randomly stop you on the streets, documenting who was searched, by whom and the reason for the search. While I can see some of the objections, it seems reasonable that a temporary restriction of freedom like that gets documented. [1]: https://www.nrk.no/norge/har-startet-kartlegging-for-a-vurdere-omstridt-kvitteringsordning-1.15674410 https://www.nrk.no/norge/har-startet-kartlegging-for-a-vurde... [2]: https://www.vl.no/nyheter/2021/12/03/oslo-tester-ny-metode-mot-etnisk-profilering-kvittering-nar-politiet-stopper-deg/ https://www.vl.no/nyheter/2021/12/03/oslo-tester-ny-metode-m...
- YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
  > While I can see some of the objections, it seems reasonable that a temporary restriction of freedom like that gets documented. Any temporary restriction will become permanent. They always tell people it is going to be "temporary" and "there will be protections put in place". All it does is normalise such restrictions and then when anyone objects to people will say "Well it been in place now for a while, it is normal, most people are fine with it, you must have something to hide". The same thing is done time and time again and nobody becomes any the wiser.
  - magicalhippo 5y ago
    I meant temporary in the sense that police stopping you and asking for your ID is, for people with an ID, a temporary restriction of freedom. You can't just go saying you'll miss the bus. As such I think it's good that the police have to leave a paper trail.
    - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
      Yeah I misunderstood what you said.

magicalhippo 5y ago

As a step to combat racial profiling the police here in Oslo, capital of Norway, will likely soon[1] have to give a receipt[2] if they randomly stop you on the streets, documenting who was searched, by whom and the reason for the search. While I can see some of the objections, it seems reasonable that a temporary restriction of freedom like that gets documented. [1]: https://www.nrk.no/norge/har-startet-kartlegging-for-a-vurdere-omstridt-kvitteringsordning-1.15674410 https://www.nrk.no/norge/har-startet-kartlegging-for-a-vurde... [2]: https://www.vl.no/nyheter/2021/12/03/oslo-tester-ny-metode-mot-etnisk-profilering-kvittering-nar-politiet-stopper-deg/ https://www.vl.no/nyheter/2021/12/03/oslo-tester-ny-metode-m...

YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
> While I can see some of the objections, it seems reasonable that a temporary restriction of freedom like that gets documented. Any temporary restriction will become permanent. They always tell people it is going to be "temporary" and "there will be protections put in place". All it does is normalise such restrictions and then when anyone objects to people will say "Well it been in place now for a while, it is normal, most people are fine with it, you must have something to hide". The same thing is done time and time again and nobody becomes any the wiser.
- magicalhippo 5y ago
  I meant temporary in the sense that police stopping you and asking for your ID is, for people with an ID, a temporary restriction of freedom. You can't just go saying you'll miss the bus. As such I think it's good that the police have to leave a paper trail.
  - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
    Yeah I misunderstood what you said.