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“How I Survived a Chinese ‘Reeducation’ Camp” by Gulbahar Haitiwaji
- cyb_ 5y agohttps://archive.fo/1la1W https://archive.fo/1la1W
- stevespang 5y ago
- rektide 5y agoWhat a picture of thin-skinned biopower, of a state utterly unwilling to accept anything but it's own hardliner mode. Xenophobic, extremist, & totalitarian.
- shakezula 5y agoYou could paste this statement under a headline about the US and be just as correct.
- foxyv 5y agoI challenge you to do the following: 1. Go the the United States and publicly speak out against the government and call the president an old geezer who couldn't find a funding bill if they duct taped it to his forehead. Then spend time protesting and handing out pamphlets about imperialist policies, war crimes in Afghanistan, and racism against black Americans. 2. Go to China and publicly call Xi Jinping a Winnie the Pooh looking war criminal and start protesting and handing out pamphlets about free tibet, Tiananmen Square, genocide of muslims, and racism against non-Chinese. You will quickly see which country more closely matches this statement.
- a0-prw 5y agoWtf? As someone who once held refugee status under the Geneva Convention, my only remark is: you don't go back to discuss your pension. If you do, you're stupid.
- charlieyu1 5y agoChina is a master of manipulation. They know weakness of people, money, fame, etc. You wouldn’t believe how many people are lured to dig their own graves this way.
- fractallyte 5y agoIn an article in The Guardian (linked in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30238350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30238350) she explains the nuances of her decision. She already had a resident's permit, renewable every 10 years. She knew she would be questioned, and was even reassured about this by her husband. Essentially, she still had roots in Xinjiang, and Chinese nationality.
- danrocks 5y agoDidn't Saudi Arabia use a similar trick with Jamal Khashoggi?
- sofixa 5y agoIt was some paperwork for his marriage to his fiancée, yep. But it's even worse because it was just an embassy, he didn't go back to the country, and even though a Chinese "reeducation" camp doesn't sound a fun experience, it's still probably better than getting chopped up.
- ashwagary 5y ago>it's still probably better than getting chopped up. It also seems much better than how Iraqi 'extremists' and civilians were treated in Abu Ghraib. The suspicious shift of the US/UK to all of a sudden 'caring' deeply about specific groups of Muslims may give some objective observers whiplash.
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- smilingleo 5y agoJust read another thread "my seatbelt rule for judgement" https://www.dannyguo.com/blog/my-seatbelt-rule-for-judgment/ https://www.dannyguo.com/blog/my-seatbelt-rule-for-judgment/ ,I can't agree more. Before you make any judgement about anything, you need to learn about it. In this case, go visit Xinjiang, talk with natives, see with your own eyes, and then you know who's telling lies.
- danrocks 5y agoTry flying into China and going to Xinjiang to "talk with the natives" to see what will happen to you. Edit: language.
- boffinAudio 5y agoHave you done that? How are you so certain?
- danrocks 5y agoI live in China.
- yorwba 5y agoSo what happened when you went to Xinjiang?
- Guessnotgauss 5y agoDid you see the moon landing? Personal pic or it didnt happen
- danrocks 5y agoYou get a sanitized tour and multiple (daily) police checks, including police visiting your hotel at 11pm to check your visa number, and many, many areas are off-limits to visitors. There is no "talking with natives" as the natives are scared to talk to any Han or foreign tourists. And if you are seen filming or trying to interview or make a Youtube video where you talk to people, you WILL get arrested.
- smilingleo 5y agoJust happen to read another thread "my seatbelt rule for judgement" https://www.dannyguo.com/blog/my-seatbelt-rule-for-judgment/ https://www.dannyguo.com/blog/my-seatbelt-rule-for-judgment/ ,I can't agree more. Before you make any judgement about anything, you need to learn about it. In this case, go visit Xinjiang, talk with natives, see with your own eyes, and then you know who's telling lies.
- fractallyte 5y agoDon't forget the rapes! Systematic, state-sanctioned RAPE. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071 There's a hidden half of human history that no one wants to talk about: Our Bodies, Their Battlefields, by Christina Lamb (https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Our-Bodies-Their-Battlefields/Christina-Lamb/9781501199172 https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Our-Bodies-Their-Batt...)
- leptoniscool 5y ago
- danrocks 5y agoOne blatantly pro-Beijing journalist who writes for the HK-based South China Morning Post made an interesting point in an article [1] the other day: that the West is either an accomplice of the Uyghur genocide, by calling it a genocide but not doing shit about it, or it's not really genocide, so it's Western propaganda and lies. So we're either cowards or liars. This point stuck with me. Based on these stories coming out all the time: we're the former. [1] https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3164071/human-rights-campaign-or-political-harassment-foreign-businesses https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3164071/human-r...
- lazyeye 5y agoWhat do you suggest the west should do?
- danrocks 5y agoWar is clearly not an option given China's thin-skinned nature, inexperienced military (yearning for battle as we can see in the border with India) and firebrand government. I think really biting, heavy sanctions that cover more than a dozen assholes in Xinjiang who probably don't even have bank accounts would be a good start. But what do I know, I just feel terrible that these things are happening and the UN seems impotent to do anything about it.
- tim333 5y agoI think we should have boycotted the olympics. I'm sure Beijing would have thrown their toys out of the pram and launched economic sanctions against everyone but you know - genocide bad and that.
- dirtyid 5y agoArticle conveniently leaves out PRC allegation - Haitiwaji and husband was involved in US funded World Uyghur Congress and participated in secessionist activities in XJ, including Urumqi riots. Of course article also conveniently uses photo of prisoner transfer that has nothing to do with XJ securitization. After 5 years, the exaggerated atrocity porn tier western narrative is still built on by unreliable actors selling books or shilling for citizenship, without any damning evidence, and of course conveniently timed.
- commoner 5y agoThe Guardian published a preview of the book here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/uighur-xinjiang-re-education-camp-china-gulbahar-haitiwaji https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/uighur-xinjian... This book is an English translation of Gulbahar Haitiwaji's French book, Rescapée du Goulag Chinois.
- WaitWaitWha 5y ago> 'Born in 1966 in Ghulja in the Xinjiang region, Gulbahar Haitiwaji was an executive in the Chinese oil industry before leaving for France in 2006 with her husband and children, who obtained the status of political refugees. In 2017 she was summoned in China for an administrative issue. Once there, she was arrested and spent more than two years in a re-education camp. Thanks to the efforts of her family and the French foreign ministry she was freed and was able to return to France where she currently resides.' This is not 'long long time ago', this is 'yesterday'.
- imoverclocked 5y agoThis is shocking to me. Somehow I have heard nothing about this until this article linked in HN. It’s not for complete lack of media attention, when I search for this specifically, I find a lot of related articles.
- pyuser583 5y agoI’ve read it before, for whatever that’s worth.