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Why not also a warrant to Apple since there are more Apple users in US AFAIK? Or there was such a warrant but the article omitted Apple.

hyperhopper 5y ago
Likely existing agreements/backdoors/vulnerabilities that allowed them to get the data in other ways. They very likely had the capability: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/pegasus-fbi-nso-test/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/pegasus...
isodev 5y ago
Apple wouldn't be able to fulfil the warrant as it doesn't collect the kind of data needed to identify users based on their historical location. Requesting the data from Google has the advantage that it can also include iPhone users who have Google apps or apps using one or more of Google's analytics products with some kind of location access.
- rob_c 5y ago
  Oh I'd bet highly that they do and it's just that it's not advertised or really accessible...
- simion314 5y ago
  >Apple wouldn't be able to fulfil the warrant as it doesn't collect the kind of data needed to identify users based on their historical location. How so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-fence_warrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-fence_warrant search for Apple there and maybe provide a link why Apple can't find people that have maps, find my shit or other features on.
  - Aaronn 5y ago
    The Wikipedia article says Apple has received geofence warrants. It does not say they have provided data in response to them. I do not believe they can since Find My data and Maps search history is end-to-end encrypted. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelin... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 Find My: > Device location services information is stored on each individual device and Apple cannot retrieve this information from any specific device. Location services information for a device located through the Find My feature is customer facing and Apple does not have content of maps or alerts transmitted through the service. Air Tags: > The interaction is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple cannot view the location of any AirTag or supported third-party products
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hyperhopper 5y ago

Likely existing agreements/backdoors/vulnerabilities that allowed them to get the data in other ways. They very likely had the capability: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/pegasus-fbi-nso-test/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/pegasus...

isodev 5y ago

Apple wouldn't be able to fulfil the warrant as it doesn't collect the kind of data needed to identify users based on their historical location. Requesting the data from Google has the advantage that it can also include iPhone users who have Google apps or apps using one or more of Google's analytics products with some kind of location access.

rob_c 5y ago
Oh I'd bet highly that they do and it's just that it's not advertised or really accessible...
simion314 5y ago
>Apple wouldn't be able to fulfil the warrant as it doesn't collect the kind of data needed to identify users based on their historical location. How so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-fence_warrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-fence_warrant search for Apple there and maybe provide a link why Apple can't find people that have maps, find my shit or other features on.
- Aaronn 5y ago
  The Wikipedia article says Apple has received geofence warrants. It does not say they have provided data in response to them. I do not believe they can since Find My data and Maps search history is end-to-end encrypted. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelin... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 Find My: > Device location services information is stored on each individual device and Apple cannot retrieve this information from any specific device. Location services information for a device located through the Find My feature is customer facing and Apple does not have content of maps or alerts transmitted through the service. Air Tags: > The interaction is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple cannot view the location of any AirTag or supported third-party products

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