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Right, write the same article about Jan 6 and people at the Capitol Building, and few would blink an eye. In that case, I don't think any any attempts were mad
by surge 5y ago
Right, write the same article about Jan 6 and people at the Capitol Building, and few would blink an eye.
In that case, I don't think any any attempts were made to burn it down, or a federal courthouse building which has zilch to do with their grievance and isn't even the right branch of government. Then people ask, how did we get here? When the past year of activism made mobbing government buildings placing them under siege for weeks and trying to burn them down the acceptable norm with little done to stop it or condemn it in the media, its not hard to see why the other extreme might think its their time to shine. The pearl clutching is amusing to me.
- sp332 5y agoIt's here https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-google-geofence-warrant/ https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-google-geofence-war...
- pacerwpg 5y agoHere is the hackernews entry for the linked article. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28707974 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28707974 Nobody responded and I'm not entirely sure why.
- dylan604 5y ago>Nobody responded and I'm not entirely sure why. Timing probably. What else was active that day that kept the Eye of Sauron from looking in this stories direction? Lots of things can contribute.
- surge 5y agoYeah, its also framed as a good thing in the Wired article. "Helped". Only when its their political opponents is it not a concern.
- InTheArena 5y agoEveryone is convinced that bad things only happen to them, and it's a conspiracy to keep them down - while at the same time, applying the same controls to others that they may disagree with.... There are reasons for _everyone_ to be concerned about geofence warrants. It skates dangerously close to restricting freedom of association. We all know that there are bad actors - and often the chance to use extremists to paint everyone of a particular religion, sex or ideology with the tar brush of the extremists. We don't know - for example - how many people were returned here. Was it 2 devices? 200 devices? 2000 devices? If there was a parade of people in front of the building? If there was just the arson suspects? Maybe only police ones?
- syshum 5y agoThese warrants should be called what they are, General Warrants. Something that was abused in our history and deemed to corrupting that they were banned in our constitution. I do not see how strapping a set of GPS coordinates instead of a city block magically makes the warrany anything other than a General Warrant.
- DaftDank 5y agoLet me start by saying I do not condone the destruction of government buildings in any way. Full stop. If there are separate parts of a system -- but all part of the same underlying system -- do you really see them as completely different things? For example, I've heard cops, while arresting someone for marijuana, just "pass the buck" and say, "We don't write the laws, we are just enforcing them." If you are part of maintaining, propagating, and continuing a system, are you not an equal part of that system and the things done in its name?
- nradov 5y agoI see the three separate branches of government as almost completely different things. While I think drugs should be legalized (or at least decriminalized), the police aren't violating any fundamental human rights by arresting someone for marijuana possession. We need to lobby the legislature to fix the laws.
- dylan604 5y agoThe fundamental human right to be free and their pursuit of hapiness is most definitely being violated when being detained. A police officer can choose to not detain someone or they can choose to detain someone. It is within their purview.
- batch12 5y ago> If you are part of maintaining, propagating, and continuing a system, are you not an equal part of that system and the things done in its name? Yes, I think you can make this case. However, it isn't appropriate someone charged to execute enforcement of the law to ignore the laws they don't like. The only valid exception would be laws that aren't legal and therefore invalid.
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago>” If you are part of maintaining, propagating, and continuing a system, are you not an equal part of that system and the things done in its name?” Absolutely not, with a key emphasis on the “equal part”. It is totally wrong to assume that I, as a citizen and taxpayer who is just living my life normally, is equally as culpable as a lawmaker or a trigger happy police officer is a fallacy.
- spamizbad 5y agoThe events of January 6th involved attempting to overthrow the results of a democratic election because a certain faction didn’t like the outcome. Trying to burn down a police station is localized mob violence. They are not the same.