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Just a reminder that Russia and Putin have a recent history of using false-flag attacks. The 1999 Russian apartment bombings are universally considered false-fl

Just a reminder that Russia and Putin have a recent history of using false-flag attacks. The 1999 Russian apartment bombings are universally considered false-flag attacks by Russian journalists and historians who are not on the Kremlin payroll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Russian_government_involvement_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Rus...

aunty_helen 5y ago
Just a reminder that America has a recent history of using intelligence to start wars in other countries. The 2002 invasion of Iraq due to the presence of WMD is universally consider lies and propagandar by journalists and historians who are not on The White House payroll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
- bspammer 5y ago
  This information isn't being used to try and start a war, but to try and stop a war. There's a big difference to begin with. A second difference is that that was 20 years, and 3 administrations ago.
- slackfan 5y ago
  Recent? You mean dating back to at minimum the Spanish-American, and possibly the Civil war?
- timmytokyo 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
    Even this terrible concept has a "Defense" section in Wikipedia. Did you read it?
- elil17 5y ago
  But what motive do we have to do that here? In Iraq it was clear - we had oil interests. But why would we lie about this? We don’t need any excuse to go into Ukraine, and we just said we won’t do it. If anyone has a reason the government would want to lie about this I’m very open to it - but it just doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t see the motive.
  - aunty_helen 5y ago
    This article has already been flagged so will die soon but anyway, you might want to look into Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
- cochne 5y ago
  Are you saying that the US goal here is to start a war with Russia?
sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
This is a conspiracy theory which does not make any sense. The second Chechen war was completely justified by the Chechen attack on Dagestan. There are numerour terrorist acts done by Chechen rebels which are not questioned at all; but it's postulated that precisely these terrorist acts were fake (out of so many real ones!).

aunty_helen 5y ago

Just a reminder that America has a recent history of using intelligence to start wars in other countries. The 2002 invasion of Iraq due to the presence of WMD is universally consider lies and propagandar by journalists and historians who are not on The White House payroll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

bspammer 5y ago
This information isn't being used to try and start a war, but to try and stop a war. There's a big difference to begin with. A second difference is that that was 20 years, and 3 administrations ago.
slackfan 5y ago
Recent? You mean dating back to at minimum the Spanish-American, and possibly the Civil war?
timmytokyo 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
  Even this terrible concept has a "Defense" section in Wikipedia. Did you read it?
elil17 5y ago
But what motive do we have to do that here? In Iraq it was clear - we had oil interests. But why would we lie about this? We don’t need any excuse to go into Ukraine, and we just said we won’t do it. If anyone has a reason the government would want to lie about this I’m very open to it - but it just doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t see the motive.
- aunty_helen 5y ago
  This article has already been flagged so will die soon but anyway, you might want to look into Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
cochne 5y ago
Are you saying that the US goal here is to start a war with Russia?

sedan_baklazhan 5y ago

This is a conspiracy theory which does not make any sense. The second Chechen war was completely justified by the Chechen attack on Dagestan. There are numerour terrorist acts done by Chechen rebels which are not questioned at all; but it's postulated that precisely these terrorist acts were fake (out of so many real ones!).