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The idea that Rogan could "legitimize" anything is hilarious. He brings people like Alex Jones on his show, it's incredibly obvious that you shouldn't take ever
by FDSGSG 5y ago
The idea that Rogan could "legitimize" anything is hilarious. He brings people like Alex Jones on his show, it's incredibly obvious that you shouldn't take everything you hear on the show seriously.
- tsol 5y agoMany many people take Alex Jones very seriously
- hartator 5y agoAlex Jones was right about Jeffrey Epstein, the jet, the island, and all the child abuse that has happened there.
- acebarry 5y agoYet he is wrong about nearly everything else. If you want a deep dive on Alex Jones and all his lies and schemes, the podcast Knowledge Fight has been documenting InfoWars for years.
- farmerstan 5y agoHe was right about Bohemian Grove in the 1990s. He gets some things right, and some things wrong. He’s about as right as most media organizations.
- twmiller 5y ago"He’s about as right as most media organizations." Is this true? Do you have any analysis to back this up, or is it just something you made up because it makes you feel good?
- rhexs 5y agoThis is a great point -- where can we find some INDEPENDENT FACT CHECKERS that happen to have the same political bias as me to dispute the above? I'm extremely uncomfortable that people have different opinions here.
- acebarry 5y agoJones is a well documented liar and grifter. This is not a difference of opinion.
- 34679 5y agoAs someone who lived directly across the river from the Bohemian Grove for about a decade, I can tell you with certainty that the only thing he was right about is that it exists and its members are wealthy. There's nothing secret about the existence or timing of the gatherings, as they're discussed in the local paper. Jobs are advertised for caterers and cleanup crews. The people hired always return, just like any other summer camp type job.
- judge2020 5y agoA broken clock is right twice a day. And it's not like Epstein was some unknown figure before the Miami Herald reported on him, there were public 2008 articles about his jail time, which also mentioned his public figure ties[0]. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/02/usa.internationalcrime1 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/02/usa.internatio...
- hoffs 5y agoHe is 'right' about a lot of things, but what he does is take one tiny nugget of somewhat real information and then build on it and spin it in any way he wants.
- vzcx 5y agoAlex Jones actually is a very serious performance artist who never breaks kayfabe, like that one old magician that Christian Bale's character in the Prestige respected for perpetually keeping up his act while in public. There is a lot of overlap with what Jones is doing and something like professional wrestling. I don't much care for his style, but I think one day, maybe long after his death, people will give Jones the respect he deserves as an artist. A well-flowing rant is not an easy thing to improvise, and he is just a machine for generating them. To paraphrase a quote about jazz, you don't just wake up one morning, pick up a microphone and start raving about the new world order. There is a real art to conspiracy theorizing. You can't just make things up. You have to take random true things and stitch them together into sort of framework that's wild and entertaining enough for your audience while still seeming plausible. You have to shade them in with sinister undertones. It's a sort of dark impressionism. He is his own brand of genius.
- asveikau 5y agoA lot of what you say, I read it and say it's actually very consistent with him believing it. People who suffer delusions often aren't stupid or even unconvincing. A lot of that intellectual effort you're describing, piecing together plausible details to justify their falsehood, can go into it. Someone I know who suffers these issues had a reputation in the family for being creative, a good storyteller... The hospitalizations and psychiatric diagnoses came later.
- xzel 5y agoI remember seeing some of his earlier stuff before the modern info wars and its not exactly laid back but the production value was more of a radio show. Most people don't know but he played a raving conspiracist in A Scanner Darkly, but he basically became that charter on Info Wars. With some of the info from his ex-wife's interview, I think his public persona slowly started to take over his real identity as it grew.
- smus 5y agoAnd waking life, phenomenal film
- giarc 5y agoThe problem is Rogan does legitimize many things for a lot of his listeners. I listened to that one COVID episode making news and it's hard not to think "this guy knows what he's talking about" and I have graduate degrees in epidemiology and microbiology. How is a lay person supposed to critically think about his guests and their views?
- alexashka 5y agoExcuse me, does not all communication carry with it the 'problem' of legitimizing or delegitimizing something? That's like, a big part of why all primates, fucking, communicate?
- gorjusborg 5y agoSad but true. People seem to confuse celebrity with credibility. I don't really care about JRE all that much, but I know there are people out there that resonate with his line of 'thinking'.
- shadowgovt 5y ago> People seem to confuse celebrity with credibility It's a common pattern in America. Got a whole Presidency out of it. ... two, actually. Maybe even three, depending on who's writing the biography.
- judge2020 5y agoThree so far if you include both celebrities (Reagan, Trump).
- nradov 5y agoWhich episode are you referring to? What specifically did "this guy" say that was illegitimate? For someone who's not a regular listener these vague allegations are quite annoying because it's impossible to tell whether you have a valid point or are just trying to push something for political reasons.
- nameisname 5y agoIf your argument was valid Fox News et al would not be so popular.
- enkid 5y agoYet people take Alex Jones seriously.
- dragontamer 5y agoI have real-world coworkers who were arguing about Ivermectin as a legitimate treatment to COVID19 and were clearly Joe Rogan fans.