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> mostly bipartisan audience Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conserv

by iaml 5y ago

> mostly bipartisan audience Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conservative leaning nowadays. So much so I couldn't really watch it, stark contrast to earlier episodes with Duncan Trussel, Bill Burr and others. I heavily doubt he has much liberal audience nowadays.

YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
He isn't conservative leaning. He is pretty much a centre/centre-left anti-authoritarian. Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives. Most conservatives and people like myself who roughly describe themselves as anarchists (though I don't like labels as you end up having to defend other people's statements and opinions other than your own) wouldn't consider him right wing at all.
- iaml 5y ago
  > Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives How do you know that? I'm legitimately interested what kind of audience he has now and how it changed after he signed w/ spotify, but I don't think this info is available publicly, at least I can't find it.
  - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
    Because he has a sizeable inter-nation audience. If anyone has a sizeable inter-nation audience they will have all sorts of people listening to them. There is something in the region of 100s of millions of downloads. Joe mentioned it and talked about it briefly on one of his shows. I've personally spoken to people about Joe Rogan about interviews he has done to people in Belgium, UAE, the US, the UK, Germany. My boss listens to Joe Rogan and he is a Muslim that lives in Sheffield (UK) and I am pretty sure he probably votes Labour or Liberal Democrat. Some people really need to talk to people outside of their bubble. Joe Rogan has mass appeal because he has long format conversations with interesting/noteworthy or notorious people. It the same reason Loius Theroux was popular back in the 90s and 00s.
    - iaml 5y ago
      You can't make any conclusions on a 100 million podcast based off your personal experience talking to people in your bubble, unless your definition of 'plenty of people' is 0.00001% of audience (I'm estimating the number of people you surveyed at 1000, but do correct me if I'm wrong).
      - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
        I was expecting such a reply. It is really frustrating talking to people with an attitude such as yours. He has a large inter-national audience and the number of people that have watched his podcast is in the 10s if not 100s of millions. That is more people than a lot of countries in Europe. Yet you find it hard to believe that the audience can have diverse (in the truest sense of the word)? That is quite frankly moronic. As for the people I've talked to about it. These are people in aren't in my "bubble". I simply had a passing conversation with them in a break-room or on a Slack call (I work remote now) while waiting for people to filter in or some random people I've spoken to on Discord. These are not close friends, or people I even regularly speak to.
        iaml 5y ago
        > Yet you find it hard to believe that the audience can have diverse (in the truest sense of the word)? I find it hard to believe because up to this point you've made zero effort to offer any proof of that apart from 'trust me bro'. I'm skeptical that Joe has a diverse audience because to have that you need to make an effort, and from what podcasts I've listened of his he became noticeably less accepting of other viewpoints over time, on some topics like covid especially. This could easily lead towards radicalization of his audience, but you just dismiss this possibility. He should really follow his old advice and go to woods and do some ayahuasca, his third eye is fully closed at this point.
        Sargos 5y ago
        It's obvious that Rogan has a diverse audience from looking at the facts. It's up to you to provide evidence to the contrary or you will have proven yourself to be arguing in bad faith which wastes people's time and harms discourse.
misiti3780 5y ago
If you think Rogan is conservative leaning you're living in a liberal/progressive bubble and do not seem to realize it.
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- iaml 5y ago
  Out of two parties I do believe he's conservative leaning, yes.
  - misiti3780 5y ago
    He publicly endorsed Sanders for president. I'm not sure what you call that, but I dont this the adjective "conservative" is correct. Besides his vaccine skepticism, and willingness to talk to anyone, what about him do you think is conservative?
    - iaml 5y ago
      He publicly endorsed Sanders, then moved to Texas [0], accepted a big paycheck and checked out from discussions with a lot of his most liberal friends on podcast. I'm not sure anyone leaning democrat would be happy to move from Cali to a furiously red religious state that goes against some of his beliefs. But then again he has fuck you money so maybe that's the reason. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/03/16/joe-rogan-sells-longtime-la-home-for-3-45m-following-move-to-texas/ https://nypost.com/2021/03/16/joe-rogan-sells-longtime-la-ho...
      - misiti3780 5y ago
        As someone who is left leaning that moved from NYC -> Florida, I wholeheartedly disagree. Tons of people that dont have fuck you money are leaving California, NY, etc and moving to Texas, Florida etc every day because they dont agree the progressive policies in place. And the 15% in tax savings every year is a nice bonus.
graderjs 5y ago
That's funny. Because I think he's a lot more liberal nowadays. I remember the pre-Spot days where he was with Alex Jones, and talking about Trump and he really seemed a conservative or "new right" type of talking head at that time. Nowadays to me he seems waaaay more liberal, balanced and middle-of-the-road. The effect could be that sort of thing that dang always talks about on HN where people have the impression that HN is really "anti-China", but in fact that's an artefact of their exposure to the articles that they engage with (being more likely to be those they disagree with)--or something like that, dang explains it way better. Reality is HN is really a thing with multiple facets...but people feel there is "astro-turfing" and stuff like that, when in fact it only seems that way. Better explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=dang%20China&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... I guess it would also make sense to me if that was the case because, if not for any other reason, it would be a reality of his platform having increased so much. His wider audience demands and benefits from a wider range of guests with a wider range of views. It also makes sense to me that his own view of his purpose has grown from, "somehow orbiting the Trump, new right sphere" to "someone who talks to people from all backgrounds" about the issues of the day.

by iaml 5y ago

YEwSdObPQT 5y ago

He isn't conservative leaning. He is pretty much a centre/centre-left anti-authoritarian. Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives. Most conservatives and people like myself who roughly describe themselves as anarchists (though I don't like labels as you end up having to defend other people's statements and opinions other than your own) wouldn't consider him right wing at all.

iaml 5y ago
> Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives How do you know that? I'm legitimately interested what kind of audience he has now and how it changed after he signed w/ spotify, but I don't think this info is available publicly, at least I can't find it.
- YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
  Because he has a sizeable inter-nation audience. If anyone has a sizeable inter-nation audience they will have all sorts of people listening to them. There is something in the region of 100s of millions of downloads. Joe mentioned it and talked about it briefly on one of his shows. I've personally spoken to people about Joe Rogan about interviews he has done to people in Belgium, UAE, the US, the UK, Germany. My boss listens to Joe Rogan and he is a Muslim that lives in Sheffield (UK) and I am pretty sure he probably votes Labour or Liberal Democrat. Some people really need to talk to people outside of their bubble. Joe Rogan has mass appeal because he has long format conversations with interesting/noteworthy or notorious people. It the same reason Loius Theroux was popular back in the 90s and 00s.
  - iaml 5y ago
    You can't make any conclusions on a 100 million podcast based off your personal experience talking to people in your bubble, unless your definition of 'plenty of people' is 0.00001% of audience (I'm estimating the number of people you surveyed at 1000, but do correct me if I'm wrong).
    - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
      I was expecting such a reply. It is really frustrating talking to people with an attitude such as yours. He has a large inter-national audience and the number of people that have watched his podcast is in the 10s if not 100s of millions. That is more people than a lot of countries in Europe. Yet you find it hard to believe that the audience can have diverse (in the truest sense of the word)? That is quite frankly moronic. As for the people I've talked to about it. These are people in aren't in my "bubble". I simply had a passing conversation with them in a break-room or on a Slack call (I work remote now) while waiting for people to filter in or some random people I've spoken to on Discord. These are not close friends, or people I even regularly speak to.
      - iaml 5y ago
        > Yet you find it hard to believe that the audience can have diverse (in the truest sense of the word)? I find it hard to believe because up to this point you've made zero effort to offer any proof of that apart from 'trust me bro'. I'm skeptical that Joe has a diverse audience because to have that you need to make an effort, and from what podcasts I've listened of his he became noticeably less accepting of other viewpoints over time, on some topics like covid especially. This could easily lead towards radicalization of his audience, but you just dismiss this possibility. He should really follow his old advice and go to woods and do some ayahuasca, his third eye is fully closed at this point.
        Sargos 5y ago
        It's obvious that Rogan has a diverse audience from looking at the facts. It's up to you to provide evidence to the contrary or you will have proven yourself to be arguing in bad faith which wastes people's time and harms discourse.

misiti3780 5y ago

If you think Rogan is conservative leaning you're living in a liberal/progressive bubble and do not seem to realize it.

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iaml 5y ago
Out of two parties I do believe he's conservative leaning, yes.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  He publicly endorsed Sanders for president. I'm not sure what you call that, but I dont this the adjective "conservative" is correct. Besides his vaccine skepticism, and willingness to talk to anyone, what about him do you think is conservative?
  - iaml 5y ago
    He publicly endorsed Sanders, then moved to Texas [0], accepted a big paycheck and checked out from discussions with a lot of his most liberal friends on podcast. I'm not sure anyone leaning democrat would be happy to move from Cali to a furiously red religious state that goes against some of his beliefs. But then again he has fuck you money so maybe that's the reason. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/03/16/joe-rogan-sells-longtime-la-home-for-3-45m-following-move-to-texas/ https://nypost.com/2021/03/16/joe-rogan-sells-longtime-la-ho...
    - misiti3780 5y ago
      As someone who is left leaning that moved from NYC -> Florida, I wholeheartedly disagree. Tons of people that dont have fuck you money are leaving California, NY, etc and moving to Texas, Florida etc every day because they dont agree the progressive policies in place. And the 15% in tax savings every year is a nice bonus.

graderjs 5y ago

That's funny. Because I think he's a lot more liberal nowadays. I remember the pre-Spot days where he was with Alex Jones, and talking about Trump and he really seemed a conservative or "new right" type of talking head at that time. Nowadays to me he seems waaaay more liberal, balanced and middle-of-the-road. The effect could be that sort of thing that dang always talks about on HN where people have the impression that HN is really "anti-China", but in fact that's an artefact of their exposure to the articles that they engage with (being more likely to be those they disagree with)--or something like that, dang explains it way better. Reality is HN is really a thing with multiple facets...but people feel there is "astro-turfing" and stuff like that, when in fact it only seems that way. Better explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=dang%20China&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... I guess it would also make sense to me if that was the case because, if not for any other reason, it would be a reality of his platform having increased so much. His wider audience demands and benefits from a wider range of guests with a wider range of views. It also makes sense to me that his own view of his purpose has grown from, "somehow orbiting the Trump, new right sphere" to "someone who talks to people from all backgrounds" about the issues of the day.