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JRE Missing (Rogan episodes removed by Spotify)
- baybal2 5y agoWho is this guy? And why there is so much fuzz about his episodes?
- encryptluks2 5y ago
- buzzwords 5y agoIsn't this a beach of contract? Unless jr approved the move
- cpach 5y agoThat depends entirely on how the contract is written. Which I guess we don’t know.
- buzzwords 5y agoI maybe wrong, but when the move was announced, he did say they have agreed no episodes will be removed
- jlmorton 5y agoAlmost certainly not. Spotify would never agree to such terms. Joe Rogan is not quite an employee of Spotify, but he does now have an exclusive agreement, and can't publish anywhere else, and so his show and any other show he might like to make is essentially controlled by Spotify for the length of the contract and published at their pleasure. It would be extraordinary if Spotify agreed to publish anything he wants. Spotify paid Rogan a tremendous amount of money for the privilege.
- basisword 5y ago…have you read their contract?
- PickledJesus 5y agoI scanned through this list, saw Louis Theroux, which seemed an odd one to remove. It's there? https://open.spotify.com/episode/0IGHoKiXvNiWJU9S9xPpei#login https://open.spotify.com/episode/0IGHoKiXvNiWJU9S9xPpei#logi... Makes me question the accuracy of the rest
- readthenotes1 5y agoYour link is to episode #835 which I didn't see in the removed list.
- zarzavat 5y agoLouis Theroux did two interviews. You linked to the second one. I don’t know why it would be cancelled. I seem to remember they discussed Alex Jones in the interview so that could be the reason. Edit to add: Reddit suggests it was taken down due to copyright issues as they used clips from Theroux’s documentaries. I would think this would be obvious fair use but I guess they don’t want to risk it.
- skilled 5y agoAlready being discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30216740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30216740
- tristor 5y agoSome of the episodes removed don’t make any sense to me. Several removed today feature mainstream comedians, some of whom have their own podcasts on the platform. I don’t listen to JRE, so maybe something is in the content I’m unaware of. These just stuck out to me as it seemed the removals are focused on people rather than guests considering repeat guests had all episodes removed.
- archerx 5y ago
- guerrilla 5y ago> Some of the episodes removed don’t make any sense to me. Several removed today feature mainstream comedians, some of whom have their own podcasts on the platform. I don’t listen to JRE, so maybe something is in the content I’m unaware of. Maybe it has to do more with what was said rather than who said it.
- tristor 5y agoThen why are repeat guests who have one removal having all episodes removed, I doubt they’re saying something horrible every time. Many are mainstream like Tim Ferriss, Bill Burr, Dan Savage, Amy Schumer, et al. It’s not hard to figure out why some of the more controversial figures might have been removed, but it seems like this was definitely targeted at people, not content.
- guerrilla 5y ago> Then why are repeat guests who have one removal having all episodes removed Some are, some aren't, pay closer attention.
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- cm2187 5y agoAlso the Gad Saad ones. Gad is a bit provocative but not hugely controversal either.
- Acrobatic_Road 5y agoalready posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30216740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30216740
- wsc981 5y agoWould be a shame if they truly removed the Alex Jones episodes. These are among the most entertaining ones.
- galcerte 5y agoGiven how political the guy itself is, and in which direction, those are the first episodes I'd expect to be removed from the platform. Do yourself a favor and avoid Spotify if you really want your due entertainment.
- Acrobatic_Road 5y agoSpotify removed those when Rogan first got on the platform. Was part of the deal.
- nailer 5y agoHe spoke about this (I’m not sure what episode) and they asked him if they could skip some of those episodes (Milo and a few others from this post). Rogan agreed. Jones has been on since and agreed he’s entertaining and knows he fucked up about the Sandy hook being staged thing (and obviously right about a bunch of others).
- hammyhavoc 5y agoI don't follow Alex Jones or Joe Rogan. What has Alex Jones been correct about?
- chaosbolt 5y agoNo one can tell you here without passing for either a robot who just agrees with everything the mainstream media says or a nazi who also believes the earth is flat, you should research it yourself, it's honestly not that difficult but you might not find his old content since they removed him from everywhere.
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- throwawaynay 5y ago
- LudwigNagasena 5y agoNo.
- robertlagrant 5y agoYou can stop, yes. You are allowed to.
- throwawaynay 5y agoI love intelligent comments
- javajosh 5y agoWhat would be a real shame would be if the Joe Rogan Experience takes over the acronym "JRE" from Java Runtime Environment. I would be sad.
- fastball 5y agoFor the average person I'm almost 100% sure it already has.
- abofh 5y agoI mean, I'm happy to avoid both as much as possible :-)
- NotACop182 5y agoRegardless of if you hate or like him. His shows give a glimpse of what people are talking about. Some of the conversations are revealing. I enjoy many of the science topics that have come up.
- smcleod 5y agoBoth are pretty bloated and a bit slow.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
- ulzeraj 5y agoChill. I listen to JR but thought the joke was funny.
- Graffur 5y agoI always find these comments amusing. Counterpoint: I listen to JR but thought the joke wasn't funny. Neither comment adds to the conversation really. I don't think it is fair to say Joe is bloated - what does that mean? Fat? And he's not slow mentally or physically either.
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- ur-whale 5y agoWhen I read a guy on HN talking about how he can predict the future based on no information at all ... I'll let you complete the sentence.
- CodeGlitch 5y agoWhat was the point in this comment?
- allendoerfer 5y agoHe wanted to point out, that he is several layers of counter-culture above other people. A phenomenon on the internet often described as being an edgelord.
- opentokix 5y agoPlot twist: The spotify api has a rate limit, so random episodes are "gone" :D
- can16358p 5y agoI'm pretty much sure the guy making the website has accounted for that and not marking as "gone" in case of rate limit. If that is indeed the case, it's a big shame though.
- drexlspivey 5y agoThat’s what you get for selling out to spotify
- CamperBob2 5y agoThat, and $100 million.
- garyclarke27 5y ago
- pizza 5y agokeep buying gorilla mind keep the movement going guys, buy this colloidal silver tincture it may or may not work, buy my patreon now they deleted me from spotify, buy my premium content, buy my unique insights and concerns, the man keeps trying to censor me, a humble open-minded critical thinker, a rarity these days for sure, fight back at all costs, the more you listen the more wise you will be, keep truth alive! we are the watchmen! /s
- ch0I9daAiO 5y agoGorilla mind is someone else's product (Derek from More Plates More Dates).
- pizza 5y agoI should be so blessed to have been so ignorant. But I appreciate the correction
- LudwigNagasena 5y agoI don’t remember Joe Rogan having said anything close to this, but I haven’t seen him a lot besides some random highlights. Is this an accurate representation or is it your wild media-induced fantasy of a Nazi alt-right reincarnation of the devil?
- flavius29663 5y agoWhat's funny is that this supposedly alt-right figure literally endorsed Bernie Sanders for primaries in 2020.
- shankr 5y agoAnd Trump used to be a Democrat. Your point is? These are drifters who are cashing in on the current political environment. They will say or do whatever to make money or stay in power.
- Reimersholme 5y ago
- voldacar 5y agoThese seem to be missing from youtube as well - are all the episodes archived somewhere? Is there some master torrent somewhere?
- helsinki 5y ago
- alpple 5y agoAnyone who knows, how will censorship play out in the future? Even censorship by private companies, I don't care how people are silenced, I'm still curious about the effects. Edit: can someone explain the effects of this kind of event that the thread is discussing? whatever you want to call it
- mola 5y agoHow do you define censorship vs content editing? Rogan and Spotify made a deal, he gets lots of money, they rather not host some of the content. Rogan was free to negotiate that, he chose to take the money.
- alpple 5y agoThis is what I'm trying to ask about. What will happen if people agree not to have their views published? What effects are there?
- mola 5y agoI think we're seeing this with Rogan. These ppl, if outrageous enough and friends with other well connected individuals will become very rich. The rest of us will live with the scorched earth left behind.
- wayoutthere 5y agoIt’s not censorship when you sign over distribution rights for $100 million and they decide not to distribute content.
- disruptalot 5y agoMost look like they have something to do with copyright and disagreements rather than controversy.
- robertlagrant 5y agoCurious timing, then.
- IsThisYou 5y ago
- paulus_magnus2 5y agoIt would be interesting to see the list of topics / keywords / conjectures in the "missing" episodes so that we know roughly which ones are "off limits".
- jevoten 5y agoMore insidious than the removal, is how Spotify conceals it. We shouldn't need a 3rd party website - the episode titles should remain in the list, among those not removed, but tagged with a big red CENSORED, along with a specific reason for the removal. If they want to censor, fine - but don't lie by omission about it.
- polack 5y agoProbably because most people actually don't give a shit and that it would be really user hostile to list a lot of content that actually don't exist (on the platform). If you cant play it then don't bloat up the GUI with it, it's as simple as that.
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- culi 5y agoWhat other platform does something like this? The closest thing I could think of is how Google will have a message at the bottom warning that some results were removed due to DMCA violations
- kgarten 5y agoNobody is censored here ... Spotify decided that they don't want to distribute them anymore. Rogan can say what he wants. Even the missing episodes are still on archive.org and other places. Is a movie/show season is no longer listed on Netflix because of some rights issues also censoring in your opinion? There are some albums not visible in some countries on Spotify. For the longest time, i could not listen to the metal versions of Ghibli songs in Japan (they are offline, online several times already, potentially due to rights issues): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXB35-cYVMU&list=PLmsGXAySkDRzkBHww4tUIcwHodSEFzpED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXB35-cYVMU&list=PLmsGXAySkD... My spotify playlist was suddenly empty /filled again. Is that censorship? As a result, I payed for the albums and canceled my spotify account. Edit: clarity + totoro example
- jevoten 5y ago
- fortylove 5y agoCan we not crowdfund an NFT to save these removed episodes?
- Taurenking 5y ago
- CSMastermind 5y agoAll of these episodes have been preserved online, see for example: https://archive.org/details/jre-001-837 https://archive.org/details/jre-001-837 So there's not really a need to 'save' them. Also if you want to crowdfund something there's much better ways to do it than an NTF, though in this case it's unclear that you need to do any kind of funding because people are can just donate time.
- npteljes 5y agoHow would an NFT help preserve a large binary like a JRE episode?
- gus_massa 5y agoMost NFT don't save the content of the image/audio/text whatever in the blockchain. Most don't even save a hash of the content to ensure what they are pointing too. They only save an URL that will show you the content, or whatever the owner of the URL wants to show you. It is possible to store the content of the audio files in the blockchain, but it will be very expensive. Storing the transcript would be expensive, but not so expensive. I'm not sure how a NFT would be useful here. If you split the talk, perhaps someone can buy the NFT that point to the fist minute, and then only listen to it???
- roenxi 5y agoThere are some really interesting removals on this list. Michael Malice, who is a very reasonable and interesting commentator if unorthadox, stands out to me. This is a long, long way from the days when the debate was about whether Alex Jones was in our out of the boundary of polite society. I'm glad that Joe Rogan got vast amounts of money out of this; it makes the situation a bit more tolerable. But Spotify are not behaving like a responsible editor.
- bsaul 5y agoAnyone has a guess as to why federated alternatives to youtube like odysee haven't caught on already ? So much content censored in the last years, there should be a lot of reasons to move. Is it because of the lack of monetization ?
- karatinversion 5y agoIf anything, the trend is in the other direction: podcasts were once federated, but it’s getting rarer and rarer to be able to get the raw feed instead of going through a platform tied to a client (Spotify, Apple podcasts etc)
- indigochill 5y agoEnd users are conditioned to think of the WWW as a monolith rather than a network of smaller networks, so they don't want to visit "myfriendsfederatedpod.net", they want to visit "platform.com". Also on the content producer's side, server administration is scary and/or biz-admin overhead.
- IsThisYou 5y ago
- olalonde 5y agoWhat is the rationale for deleting those episodes? One of the deleted episodes is an interview with Mike Ward, a Canadian humorist who got sued over a joke. I don't understand.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago"You need to enable Javascript to run this app." No doubt. But do I need an app to read the information delivered by the website. I use the web as an information service. curl -s -A "" https://jremissing.com/api/episodes|(tr \{ '\12';echo) Sorry but I see no need to enable Javascript for reading text. Of course, the Ads by Google component of the page does require Javascript. For ads/tracking, one does need to enable Javascript.
- jesprenj 5y agoYup. Yet another shitty 2022 website that displays content for a second on my phone and immediately clears the page afterwards. How hard is it to create a https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/?
- stevage 5y agoSpeaking for myself, it's much easier to make a website that requires JS than to build one that works without.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y agoThis is a site that does not require Javascript but uses an "app" that does. As demonstrated above.
- nefitty 5y agoI don't like the entitlement oozing from this comment. The site was made by one person as a side project.
- Bancakes 5y agoSimple sites are easier to make.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y agoWhat about the "entitlement" of the web developer who tries to dictate what client (user-agent) may use to retrieve public information. Some users like me have very low requirements for websites. All I need is the text. It takes minimal effort to satisfy those users, much less than using a Javascipt app framework.
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- pcdoodle 5y agoI have a good chunk of these in MP3 format, what would be a good way to share?
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- mullikine 5y agoShame on Spotify.
- toshk 5y agoMight have to do with him using the n-word. He used to use it when describing/talking about the word in a few episodes. Someone went back and made a compilation of every time he did it. Here is his apology/explanation: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZlnH8MAb8L/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CZlnH8MAb8L/
- Kosirich 5y agoThis is beyond messed up that he has to apologize. In a way for me the message is : "no matter how decent of a person you are, how appropriate the context is, no matter what the target and the subject of conversation was, one wrong word and you will end up having to beg for the apology" In that way, I respect Ricky Gervais way more and his policy of not apologizing for a joke just because someone got offended. Unless you said it in a totally wrong context and time, then it's the other's person job to figure out context, subject and the target of the joke.
- ThinkBeat 5y ago
- kgarten 5y agoIf you are missing JRE, just download it: https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Still wondering why this is on hacker news :)
- droptablemain 5y agoBecause it's at the intersection of technology, censorship, and broader culture.
- kgarten 5y agocensorship and broader culture? Maybe you are commenting on the wrong article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30122252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30122252 ;)
- droptablemain 5y agoI'm not sure what you mean. Are you expressing that Spotify taking down episodes is not censorship? Or that a popular podcast with 11-million listeners is not a significant cultural node?
- 0cVlTeIATBs 5y agoOP's joke is to maintain that JRE is Java Runtime Environment. In that context, a tech support complaint about missing that dependency is something you would not expect to see on hacker news.
- kgarten 5y agoWas just a light-hearted joke about JRE. I was first thinking this post is about the Java Runtime Environment. Considering censorship ... not sure if it is, seeing that Rogan also seems to condemn some language he used in those episodes now. Maybe it's just a change of heart :) How do you know? The link was just a slight quip, about what the biggest, recent news about censorship for me was: if you are a school teacher in McMinn County, Tennessee, you are not allowed to use "Maus" anymore in class. There are really worse things going on than a couple of old episodes with profanity being taken down by spotify or by Rogan himself. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/02/the-inside-story-of-the-banning-of-maus-its-dumber-than-you-think/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/02/the-inside-stor...
- Kosirich 5y agoRelated to this topic. I wonder how many of you agree that this cancellation business is just an extension of puritan/protestant ideology masked as social progressivism.
- mike128 5y agoAre they giving any rationale for removing each episode? I would be interested to see why the Tim Ferris episode didn’t make it. Or Bill Burr for that matter - was he not funny enough?
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- arminiusreturns 5y agoThis [1] is the video I want people to watch and respond to. I think he makes some salient points. The government is influencing the censorship. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uSPwYiVFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uSPwYiVFs
- jivetolkien 5y agoL o fkng l