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Over-sexualization is a bit different than legitimizing COVID denial and quack medicine and so are the consequences of each.

LudwigNagasena 5y ago
If the listeners are adults of voting age, I see absolutely no problem with that. If you think that people are too stupid, I think we should talk about stripping their voting rights. If people are too stupid to consume misinformation aren't they too stupid to vote?
- smus 5y ago
  I'm on your side, let's strip jre listeners' voting rights
  - throwingawayyou 5y ago
    - dang 5y ago
      Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account because it's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - throwingawayyou 5y ago
        Fuck you. ban me then. The comment I was responding to was the same asshole.
inferiorhuman 5y ago
- ikt 5y ago
  > Rogaine also has plenty of sexist schtick[1] to rival Stern Do you have anything from him later than the late 1980's?
- farmerstan 5y ago
  If you listen to joe rogans explanation, every single one of those uses of the word was taken out of context. He wasn’t using it in a racist manner, he was talking about someone’s use of the word. Even the Planet of the Apes reference was taken out of context. After he uses the term Planet of the Apes in the podcast, he immediately realized that it sounded racist and apologized because that wasn’t what he meant. And then goes on to say how he had an enjoyable experience. That all gets cut out to make him seem as racist as possible when he’s simply not racist at all.
FDSGSG 5y ago
The idea that Rogan could "legitimize" anything is hilarious. He brings people like Alex Jones on his show, it's incredibly obvious that you shouldn't take everything you hear on the show seriously.
- tsol 5y ago
  Many many people take Alex Jones very seriously
  - hartator 5y ago
    Alex Jones was right about Jeffrey Epstein, the jet, the island, and all the child abuse that has happened there.
    - acebarry 5y ago
      Yet he is wrong about nearly everything else. If you want a deep dive on Alex Jones and all his lies and schemes, the podcast Knowledge Fight has been documenting InfoWars for years.
      - farmerstan 5y ago
        He was right about Bohemian Grove in the 1990s. He gets some things right, and some things wrong. He’s about as right as most media organizations.
        twmiller 5y ago
        "He’s about as right as most media organizations." Is this true? Do you have any analysis to back this up, or is it just something you made up because it makes you feel good?
        rhexs 5y ago
        This is a great point -- where can we find some INDEPENDENT FACT CHECKERS that happen to have the same political bias as me to dispute the above? I'm extremely uncomfortable that people have different opinions here.
cloutchaser 5y ago
Really? The guy with the psychedelic third eye logo is legitizing something? https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/1487183161666805760 https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/148718316166680576...
- hoffs 5y ago
  You think anyone actually looks or cares about the logo when a person has a massive following and a name? It's not logo that is the trademark of his brand, but the name. It's really stupid argument when the concept of people following celebrities has been a thing for years...
  - cloutchaser 5y ago
    Why don’t we limit all people with millions of reach to only be able to speak about government approved things? I mean it’s a massive risk having people in society who actually have lots of followers, they can say anything!! We need to control influencers! /s
naasking 5y ago
Nobody on Rogan's podcast denied COVID.
- tedivm 5y ago
  - naasking 5y ago
    Go ahead and link to a clip where he or his guests are denying the existence of COVID.
    - asveikau 5y ago
      At this point we can say: Maybe Spotify deleted them.
      - naasking 5y ago
        It's almost as if censorship has downsides. To the OP: you can rest assured that I watch most episodes with actual scientists and scholars, even the controversial scholars that sometimes spew nonsense. At no point did anyone deny that COVID was real, or deny that it was a serious problem. At best, you can say they disagreed with the mainstream on how exactly severe it would be, who was most at risk from this danger, and how exactly to handle those risks. You know, entirely reasonable conversations that literally everyone around the country was having at the time, and probably still are having around the dining table.
- pzduniak 5y ago
  Right. He invited people who abuse their credentials to spread vaccine misinformation. And when he invites actual experts, Rogan refuses to acknowledge counterarguments - the discussion devolves into "X, look it up" and when they look the up the stats, he just says "I don't know about that". His podcast went from "(self-proclaimed) stupid man talks with people and gets them to explain stuff" to "(self-proclaimed) stupid man talks with people and gets them to explain stuff EXCEPT when it's about COVID he's suddenly 'done the research', usually invited 'guest experts' are anti-vaxxers AND when he invites real experts, he argues with them on irrelevant technicalities".

LudwigNagasena 5y ago

If the listeners are adults of voting age, I see absolutely no problem with that. If you think that people are too stupid, I think we should talk about stripping their voting rights. If people are too stupid to consume misinformation aren't they too stupid to vote?

smus 5y ago
I'm on your side, let's strip jre listeners' voting rights
- throwingawayyou 5y ago
  - dang 5y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account because it's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - throwingawayyou 5y ago
      Fuck you. ban me then. The comment I was responding to was the same asshole.

inferiorhuman 5y ago

ikt 5y ago
> Rogaine also has plenty of sexist schtick[1] to rival Stern Do you have anything from him later than the late 1980's?
farmerstan 5y ago
If you listen to joe rogans explanation, every single one of those uses of the word was taken out of context. He wasn’t using it in a racist manner, he was talking about someone’s use of the word. Even the Planet of the Apes reference was taken out of context. After he uses the term Planet of the Apes in the podcast, he immediately realized that it sounded racist and apologized because that wasn’t what he meant. And then goes on to say how he had an enjoyable experience. That all gets cut out to make him seem as racist as possible when he’s simply not racist at all.

FDSGSG 5y ago

The idea that Rogan could "legitimize" anything is hilarious. He brings people like Alex Jones on his show, it's incredibly obvious that you shouldn't take everything you hear on the show seriously.

tsol 5y ago
Many many people take Alex Jones very seriously
- hartator 5y ago
  Alex Jones was right about Jeffrey Epstein, the jet, the island, and all the child abuse that has happened there.
  - acebarry 5y ago
    Yet he is wrong about nearly everything else. If you want a deep dive on Alex Jones and all his lies and schemes, the podcast Knowledge Fight has been documenting InfoWars for years.
    - farmerstan 5y ago
      He was right about Bohemian Grove in the 1990s. He gets some things right, and some things wrong. He’s about as right as most media organizations.
      - twmiller 5y ago
        "He’s about as right as most media organizations." Is this true? Do you have any analysis to back this up, or is it just something you made up because it makes you feel good?
        rhexs 5y ago
        This is a great point -- where can we find some INDEPENDENT FACT CHECKERS that happen to have the same political bias as me to dispute the above? I'm extremely uncomfortable that people have different opinions here.

cloutchaser 5y ago

Really? The guy with the psychedelic third eye logo is legitizing something? https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/1487183161666805760 https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/148718316166680576...

hoffs 5y ago
You think anyone actually looks or cares about the logo when a person has a massive following and a name? It's not logo that is the trademark of his brand, but the name. It's really stupid argument when the concept of people following celebrities has been a thing for years...
- cloutchaser 5y ago
  Why don’t we limit all people with millions of reach to only be able to speak about government approved things? I mean it’s a massive risk having people in society who actually have lots of followers, they can say anything!! We need to control influencers! /s

naasking 5y ago

Nobody on Rogan's podcast denied COVID.

tedivm 5y ago
- naasking 5y ago
  Go ahead and link to a clip where he or his guests are denying the existence of COVID.
  - asveikau 5y ago
    At this point we can say: Maybe Spotify deleted them.
    - naasking 5y ago
      It's almost as if censorship has downsides. To the OP: you can rest assured that I watch most episodes with actual scientists and scholars, even the controversial scholars that sometimes spew nonsense. At no point did anyone deny that COVID was real, or deny that it was a serious problem. At best, you can say they disagreed with the mainstream on how exactly severe it would be, who was most at risk from this danger, and how exactly to handle those risks. You know, entirely reasonable conversations that literally everyone around the country was having at the time, and probably still are having around the dining table.
pzduniak 5y ago
Right. He invited people who abuse their credentials to spread vaccine misinformation. And when he invites actual experts, Rogan refuses to acknowledge counterarguments - the discussion devolves into "X, look it up" and when they look the up the stats, he just says "I don't know about that". His podcast went from "(self-proclaimed) stupid man talks with people and gets them to explain stuff" to "(self-proclaimed) stupid man talks with people and gets them to explain stuff EXCEPT when it's about COVID he's suddenly 'done the research', usually invited 'guest experts' are anti-vaxxers AND when he invites real experts, he argues with them on irrelevant technicalities".