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I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. Yet if true, this is such BS. It's hard not to

I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. Yet if true, this is such BS. It's hard not to see Rogan, with his massive and mostly bipartisan audience, yet still polarizing and controversial discussions, as a litmus test for how well the West really embraces dissent. We're supposed to have invented dissent, right? And Joe Rogan, he's our little free speech canary--and the Western culture is killing him. But if you don't care about this or don't think it's important, try to remember that bastard time traveling love child of Donne and Orwell: never send to know for whom the censors come. Sigh. He shouldn't have posted that 9 minutes video "addressing the controversy" and taken such a conciliatory tone. People see those things as weakness or creating a fake-pretext to make it easier to censor him. From Joe's perspective he probably doesn't care. He's got the exclusive deal, so not going to lose a dime if Spotify cancels him, and even if they does lose money... he probably doesn't really need the money. He's his own platform, his audience is in love with him not with the delivery mechanism. From society's point of view these kind of binary outrages about censorship, to me, relate to a recent Glenn greenwald tweet where he says that society's going to end up needing two of everything depending on one's ideology: segregated websites, etc. And I think that's probably the point because the outrage about different views is helping to manufacture consent for introduction of a Chinese style censorship system in the West. But it'll be worse than the Chinese system which is guided by some sort of people focused ideology, as it'll be something corporate. In light of the possible oppressing nature of this the smart thing for individuals to do is not to engage in these ridiculous outrage battles, to avoid inflaming this intolerance of other people's views. Instead of letting yourself be used to manufacture consent for whatever new horror is slumbering towards Bethlehem to be born, set yourself to manufacture your own tolerance toward people with different opinions and not let your strings be pulled by whoever is seeking to inflame these kind of divisions. I mean we're supposed to be "the permeable", right? (Short Bus).

FeteCommuniste 5y ago
> I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. I checked for a couple of the episodes on Spotify (#1103 Tom Segura, #1218 Gad Saad) and could not find them, so it may be legit.
- graderjs 5y ago
  - dev_tty01 5y ago
    First, there is no Free speech violation here. A private content company is free to change their content. They can create things and they can delete things. Happens all the time. Second, to compare de-publishing a few episodes of this sensationalist blow hard from a streaming service to the horrific tragedy that was Kristallnacht, is wildly inappropriate.
    - rlt 5y ago
      You mean there is no First Amendment violation. Free speech is a general principle that is upheld (or not) by a society as a whole, including businesses and the people who pressure them to censor.
    - graderjs 5y ago
      > First Hiding behind a seemingly literal interpretation (I'm not qualified to judge as I'm no expert in the Constitution). But it's awful to not consider the context, or the consequences of that action. > Second Wildly inappropriate to try to use your own personal reactions to impose your will upon another to restrict their freedom. I don't think you really have a problem using Nazi history analogically as criticism. I think you just don't like that it's criticism directed at something you don't want to see exposed as evil. Because maybe you like the power that you imagine it brings to silence people who say annoying things, rather than to deal with your own emotions. Perhaps you prefer controlling others to controlling yourself? Whatever the motivation, supporting the imposition of one's will on others and restricting their freedoms is terrible. To then abuse the sacred protection afforded by invoking a defense of victims of Nazis, as cover for this behavior, is an abomination.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    You made some good points before, even if i generally disagree with you, but this comparison is wildly inappropriate. You get that people were targeted based on their ethnicity/religion, their property and churches were trashed, many were beaten and killed, and tens of thousands were sent to concentration camps, right? Comparing it to this bullshit is an insult to all the victims of Nazi atrocities and you are a terrible human being.
iaml 5y ago
> mostly bipartisan audience Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conservative leaning nowadays. So much so I couldn't really watch it, stark contrast to earlier episodes with Duncan Trussel, Bill Burr and others. I heavily doubt he has much liberal audience nowadays.
- YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
  He isn't conservative leaning. He is pretty much a centre/centre-left anti-authoritarian. Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives. Most conservatives and people like myself who roughly describe themselves as anarchists (though I don't like labels as you end up having to defend other people's statements and opinions other than your own) wouldn't consider him right wing at all.
  - iaml 5y ago
    > Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives How do you know that? I'm legitimately interested what kind of audience he has now and how it changed after he signed w/ spotify, but I don't think this info is available publicly, at least I can't find it.
    - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
      Because he has a sizeable inter-nation audience. If anyone has a sizeable inter-nation audience they will have all sorts of people listening to them. There is something in the region of 100s of millions of downloads. Joe mentioned it and talked about it briefly on one of his shows. I've personally spoken to people about Joe Rogan about interviews he has done to people in Belgium, UAE, the US, the UK, Germany. My boss listens to Joe Rogan and he is a Muslim that lives in Sheffield (UK) and I am pretty sure he probably votes Labour or Liberal Democrat. Some people really need to talk to people outside of their bubble. Joe Rogan has mass appeal because he has long format conversations with interesting/noteworthy or notorious people. It the same reason Loius Theroux was popular back in the 90s and 00s.
codeivore 5y ago
It's possible Rogan hasn't said anything yet because he's going to try and sue.

FeteCommuniste 5y ago

> I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. I checked for a couple of the episodes on Spotify (#1103 Tom Segura, #1218 Gad Saad) and could not find them, so it may be legit.

graderjs 5y ago
- dev_tty01 5y ago
  First, there is no Free speech violation here. A private content company is free to change their content. They can create things and they can delete things. Happens all the time. Second, to compare de-publishing a few episodes of this sensationalist blow hard from a streaming service to the horrific tragedy that was Kristallnacht, is wildly inappropriate.
  - rlt 5y ago
    You mean there is no First Amendment violation. Free speech is a general principle that is upheld (or not) by a society as a whole, including businesses and the people who pressure them to censor.
  - graderjs 5y ago
    > First Hiding behind a seemingly literal interpretation (I'm not qualified to judge as I'm no expert in the Constitution). But it's awful to not consider the context, or the consequences of that action. > Second Wildly inappropriate to try to use your own personal reactions to impose your will upon another to restrict their freedom. I don't think you really have a problem using Nazi history analogically as criticism. I think you just don't like that it's criticism directed at something you don't want to see exposed as evil. Because maybe you like the power that you imagine it brings to silence people who say annoying things, rather than to deal with your own emotions. Perhaps you prefer controlling others to controlling yourself? Whatever the motivation, supporting the imposition of one's will on others and restricting their freedoms is terrible. To then abuse the sacred protection afforded by invoking a defense of victims of Nazis, as cover for this behavior, is an abomination.
- sofixa 5y ago
  You made some good points before, even if i generally disagree with you, but this comparison is wildly inappropriate. You get that people were targeted based on their ethnicity/religion, their property and churches were trashed, many were beaten and killed, and tens of thousands were sent to concentration camps, right? Comparing it to this bullshit is an insult to all the victims of Nazi atrocities and you are a terrible human being.

iaml 5y ago

> mostly bipartisan audience Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conservative leaning nowadays. So much so I couldn't really watch it, stark contrast to earlier episodes with Duncan Trussel, Bill Burr and others. I heavily doubt he has much liberal audience nowadays.

YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
He isn't conservative leaning. He is pretty much a centre/centre-left anti-authoritarian. Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives. Most conservatives and people like myself who roughly describe themselves as anarchists (though I don't like labels as you end up having to defend other people's statements and opinions other than your own) wouldn't consider him right wing at all.
- iaml 5y ago
  > Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives How do you know that? I'm legitimately interested what kind of audience he has now and how it changed after he signed w/ spotify, but I don't think this info is available publicly, at least I can't find it.
  - YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
    Because he has a sizeable inter-nation audience. If anyone has a sizeable inter-nation audience they will have all sorts of people listening to them. There is something in the region of 100s of millions of downloads. Joe mentioned it and talked about it briefly on one of his shows. I've personally spoken to people about Joe Rogan about interviews he has done to people in Belgium, UAE, the US, the UK, Germany. My boss listens to Joe Rogan and he is a Muslim that lives in Sheffield (UK) and I am pretty sure he probably votes Labour or Liberal Democrat. Some people really need to talk to people outside of their bubble. Joe Rogan has mass appeal because he has long format conversations with interesting/noteworthy or notorious people. It the same reason Loius Theroux was popular back in the 90s and 00s.

codeivore 5y ago

It's possible Rogan hasn't said anything yet because he's going to try and sue.