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If is wrong disavow is one possible way, another would be to repeat the experiment and publish a correction criticizing your own article. On the other hand, if

If is wrong disavow is one possible way, another would be to repeat the experiment and publish a correction criticizing your own article. On the other hand, if your name is on an article, you must do your homework and know if what you are signing is realistic or not.

pfortuny 5y ago
However, what you say in the second paragraph is exactly what the reviewers should ask the authors and question.
anormalpapier 5y ago
> if your name is on an article, you must do your homework and know if what you are signing is realistic or not. Definitely not the case when you're an undergraduate trying to get your foot in the door with your first paper.
- markwkw 5y ago
  Isn’t it the case that when you’re an undergraduate you do the grunt work and collect and process all the base data, and the risk is actually on the side of the supervisor?
  - CrazyStat 5y ago
    The base data in this case was (supposedly) collected by the Canadian Centre for DNA Barcoding, rather than anyone in the lab. However that Centre denies having the samples in their database.
  - joe_the_user 5y ago
    As far as I know, writing a research paper at all as an undergraduate is unusual. In the US, afaik, the purpose of undergraduate work is to learn the material of the field. A Phd program then teaches the student how to do research in a field and the student goes on to do actual research only then. An undergraduate would do a research paper as independent study or a special department class I think. With the provision that advisor is doing a lot of hand holding. So handing fake data to someone's whose effectively a complete newby and letting them process it and publish it as their first achievement, is really despicable as the article seems to describe.
- pvaldes 5y ago
  If an undergraduate accepts to cheat as exchange to have a career in science maybe simply shouldn't have a career in science.
fabian2k 5y ago
There's pretty much no way to do that in interdisciplinary publications. In those cases the main reason you have the other people on board is because you don't understand their field well enough. And there are plenty of cases where you won't notice anything is off unless you actually examine the raw data in detail, which isn't really realistic as it's an enormous amount of effort and duplicated work. There are certainly cases where co-authors should notice that something is off about the data. But there are plenty of situations where there is no reason at all to suspect a problem with the data, and where there is no way to know that someone is simply providing false data.
- kergonath 5y ago
  > In those cases the main reason you have the other people on board is because you don't understand their field well enough. “Don’t put your name on something you don’t understand” is a good rule to live by. All the authors share responsibility. We cannot accept credit when all works well and reject blame when it does not. > But there are plenty of situations where there is no reason at all to suspect a problem with the data, and where there is no way to know that someone is simply providing false data. Publishing an article with better results is definitely the best thing to do then. Short of that, publishing a letter to the editor sharing concerns is a good way of putting your doubts on record. Just removing your name looks too much like washing your hands of the whole thing.
joe_the_user 5y ago
A call replicate a paper that's demonstrably fraudulent seems even more of a cover-up of the fraud as just doing nothing. The original paper was published while the first author was an undergraduate, btw, so they probably didn't have a complete grasp of the issue.

pfortuny 5y ago

However, what you say in the second paragraph is exactly what the reviewers should ask the authors and question.

anormalpapier 5y ago

> if your name is on an article, you must do your homework and know if what you are signing is realistic or not. Definitely not the case when you're an undergraduate trying to get your foot in the door with your first paper.

markwkw 5y ago
Isn’t it the case that when you’re an undergraduate you do the grunt work and collect and process all the base data, and the risk is actually on the side of the supervisor?
- CrazyStat 5y ago
  The base data in this case was (supposedly) collected by the Canadian Centre for DNA Barcoding, rather than anyone in the lab. However that Centre denies having the samples in their database.
- joe_the_user 5y ago
  As far as I know, writing a research paper at all as an undergraduate is unusual. In the US, afaik, the purpose of undergraduate work is to learn the material of the field. A Phd program then teaches the student how to do research in a field and the student goes on to do actual research only then. An undergraduate would do a research paper as independent study or a special department class I think. With the provision that advisor is doing a lot of hand holding. So handing fake data to someone's whose effectively a complete newby and letting them process it and publish it as their first achievement, is really despicable as the article seems to describe.
pvaldes 5y ago
If an undergraduate accepts to cheat as exchange to have a career in science maybe simply shouldn't have a career in science.

fabian2k 5y ago

There's pretty much no way to do that in interdisciplinary publications. In those cases the main reason you have the other people on board is because you don't understand their field well enough. And there are plenty of cases where you won't notice anything is off unless you actually examine the raw data in detail, which isn't really realistic as it's an enormous amount of effort and duplicated work. There are certainly cases where co-authors should notice that something is off about the data. But there are plenty of situations where there is no reason at all to suspect a problem with the data, and where there is no way to know that someone is simply providing false data.

kergonath 5y ago
> In those cases the main reason you have the other people on board is because you don't understand their field well enough. “Don’t put your name on something you don’t understand” is a good rule to live by. All the authors share responsibility. We cannot accept credit when all works well and reject blame when it does not. > But there are plenty of situations where there is no reason at all to suspect a problem with the data, and where there is no way to know that someone is simply providing false data. Publishing an article with better results is definitely the best thing to do then. Short of that, publishing a letter to the editor sharing concerns is a good way of putting your doubts on record. Just removing your name looks too much like washing your hands of the whole thing.

joe_the_user 5y ago

A call replicate a paper that's demonstrably fraudulent seems even more of a cover-up of the fraud as just doing nothing. The original paper was published while the first author was an undergraduate, btw, so they probably didn't have a complete grasp of the issue.