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That’s all folks, for me anyway – Canon Rumors will live on

72 points by techolic 5y ago

cozzyd 5y ago
Well it's better than my initial reaction (is author dying?), but not by much. I'm not sure what the right solution is for cyberbullying, but at some point we'll probably have to figure it out.
ser0 5y ago
Since the description is pretty light. It seems Canon Rumors is a site dedicated to Canon related news in the same vein as MacRumors.
mercantile 5y ago
Is anyone able to get a little more specific about the kinds of "creators" he's talking about and what they do exactly which drive these abuse problems? I read the article, but felt like there wasn't quite enough information to understand what a YouTube person does to cause trouble, although I totally believe it. I know a bit about cameras, but nothing about this adjacent "rumours" subindustry.
jacquesm 5y ago
Incredible how the assholes will even destroy something so obviously good and by going after the guys' wife and kids no less. It is absolutely disgusting. HN has its share of jerks, I've had someone threaten to come by my house and beat me up (I'm pretty easy to locate) but I figured it's all bluff and easier said than done, and in the camarades.com/ww.com days I got far worse thrown at me so I've learned to live with it. But it shouldn't come to that. The internet used to be a nice place. There were flamewars and the occasional crappy argument but nobody threatened people with bodily harm. Then the village became a town, and then the town became a big city. And then all the bad stuff that happens in big cities came right along with it, including the jerks, the swatters and the drive by shooters. There is a Dire Straits song in there somewhere. Sites like canonrumors.com should be neutral territory, like churches used to be, places where people can read and exchange information without harassing the owners and the moderators. If you have showdead on you can see what a 'nice' place HN is every now and then. As it gets more mainstream here too the interaction will get more coarse. I've already made up my mind to walk when dang does.
- eunoia 5y ago
  Well a long time ago, came a man on a track Walking thirty miles with a sack on his back And he put down his load where he thought it was the best He made a home in the wilderness He built a cabin and a winter store And he ploughed up the ground by the cold lake shore And the other travellers came walking down the track And they never went further, no they never went back Then came the churches, then came the schools Then came the lawyers, then came the rules Then came the trains and the trucks with their loads And the dirty old track was the Telegraph Road Then came the mines, then came the ore, Then there was the hard times, then there was a war Telegraph sang a song about the world outside Telegraph Road got so deep and so wide Like a rolling river Never thought I'd get to quote a Dire Straits song on Hacker News :)
  - mark-r 5y ago
    And now you've pointed out a hole in my mp3 collection, thanks! I have the CD but somehow forgot to rip the song.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Great album that one.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > Incredible how the assholes will even destroy something so obviously good and by going after the guys' wife and kids no less. It is absolutely disgusting. Wonder if it'd be helpful to publish and name names: > However, yesterday they came at my children and my wife. They came at my family….. little fanboys of certain YouTubers that have obviously been raised horribly. What was in my inbox I won’t even show my wife. I’m tearing up writing this with absolute disgust for how horrible people are becoming. All of this is created by the personalities (I refuse to call them creators), they feed off of it, they profit off of it and they don’t care.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    When I was in college, my girlfriend lost her driver's license. Somebody mailed it back to her, but with a pornographic image pasted onto her face picture. I just don't get it.
noja 5y ago
I get an octet stream when I visit that URL edit: not the second time.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  I think you just betrayed your age :)
burlesona 5y ago
Seems like the site is getting the HN Hug of Death. https://archive.fo/QF72b https://archive.fo/QF72b
- dang 5y ago
  Also https://web.archive.org/web/20220204212748/https://www.canonrumors.com/thats-all-folks-for-me-anyway-canon-rumors-will-live-on/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220204212748/https://www.canon...
jer0me 5y ago
Can someone provide more context?
deleted 5y ago
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mwidell 5y ago
The author of the site went on a pretty fierce meltdown on Twitter, throwing shit at several people but mostly Gerald Undone who is a very loved, likeable, competent and successful gear reviewer on youtube. Now he has just deleted all these tweets. https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/with_replies https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/with_replies Honestly I think he was just frustrated with the fame, success and money that the gear-review-youtubers are getting, while he was working hard to provide news on a website that struggled to survive. That would be my guess at least.
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  It sounds like someone threatened his family in a way that was meaningful. How would you react?
  - mwidell 5y ago
    Having watched a lot of Gerald Undone's videos, I have a very very hard time imagining how he could incite anyone to threaten someones family. But I don't know the backstory, just saw the meltdown.
    - dblooman 5y ago
      There are lots of people, especially YouTube commentators who will rush to attack anyone who is seemed to have hated on their favourite creator. It doesn’t matter who started what, it ended with apparent threats which is not ok
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Look the kind of emotional response you get when you talk about Steve Jobs, Elon Musk or some other tech hero. It's off the scale.
  - Someone1234 5y ago
    That wasn't what his original twitter rant was about though. His original rant was about YTers being overpaid and overrated, then this "someone threatened my family" claim was after that all blew up. It isn't at all clear what started all this, but the claim of threats/actual threats was the end of it.
gkoberger 5y ago
I'm not sure what happened, but it doesn't seem like this is the whole story. He deleted his tweets, but Twitter replies seem like this writer may have started the aggression. This is the best I could find in regards to context: https://twitter.com/ByStephenJones/status/1489632602122121216 https://twitter.com/ByStephenJones/status/148963260212212121... https://twitter.com/HarrisHeller/status/1489513376371785728 https://twitter.com/HarrisHeller/status/1489513376371785728 I've never heard of either person involved, and am not sure what's happening. (It's hard to put together a timeline, and I'm not sure what was said via email, but whatever it was didn't seem to come from the YouTuber in question at all nor was it prompted by him. The YouTuber in question seems like a pretty good guy, if not maybe a bit less technical, from the very little I know.)
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Well it's one thing to have a twitter argument but it sounds like they sent threats towards his family and he is quitting for their safety as he knows how crazy some nuts are on the web. Chances are they were hollow threats but sounds like it just wasn't worth it to him. He really should follow up with the police and see if he can get whoever did this and see they get some prison time for terroristic threats as they likely will just do it again with someone else now that they probably feel empowered.
  - hammyhavoc 5y ago
    If that part is true. Not saying it isn't, but saying x happened is a good way of justifying selling something and distancing yourself from it.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      People don't tend to walk away from something they spent that much time on without a very good reason. As the - former - owner/operator of a large community I find it totally believable.
ziggus 5y ago
Wait, is all this drama going on just about a camera equipment blog/news site? WTF?
- Gualdrapo 5y ago
  After learning about game developers being threatened by people just because how they game performed, this does not surprise me.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  That's a rather dismissive attitude. Internet personalities and their fans have gone to war before, and you could dismiss those just as easily as just about "gaming" or "PC hardware" or similar. Like why not "just politics" and "just land." See everything can be thrown out with the bathwater that way.
  - MikeDelta 5y ago
    Or programming language or web framework. Humans indeed like to form groups over any possible variable. Too bad it sometimes brings out the worst. Edit: spelling mistake
Kalanos 5y ago
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  It's good to see how crazy people on twitter can get and why one's identity is something worth keeping anonymous. I'm guessing he got death threats towards his family and one should know about the reality of such things when dealing with crazy people on the internet.
BadAshr 5y ago
CanonRumors is a good site about... You guessed it, rumors about upcoming Canon gear. It's actually a great site, the original afaict, read by a lot of working pros and amateurs alike. The posts by CanonRumors Guy are balanced and vetted (as well as he can for rumors, anyway), and the discussion boards are great if you're a canon nerd. It's really hard to see the guy have one really shitty day on Twitter and as a result have his site basically go up in flames. I don't know GeralUndone from a hole in the wall, but there are more than enough YouTube reviewers, while CR played a very important part in the Canon news ecosystem. As others have said here, plenty of YouTubers source their info from sites like CR. I'm guessing the wall of ads in his last post is because CR Guy is bitter about how YTers are paid relative to his site, but he doesn't realize how many appreciate his work.
errcorrectcode 5y ago
I don't understand putting your whole life online, failing to appreciate trolls will try to get personal because 4chan was down, and then taking your toys and going home because you engaged them. Don't engage them, don't listen to them, and don't change what you're doing because of haters. It's not like they're blasting doom black metal at your house and burning a cross on your lawn. They're unshaven, overweight misanthropes who like tearing the wings off small animals, arguing with people online, and stalking digital personas. It's not victim-shaming to say it's a shame to make yourself a and play the victim is weak self-victimhood.

72 points by techolic 5y ago

Well it's better than my initial reaction (is author dying?), but not by much. I'm not sure what the right solution is for cyberbullying, but at some point we'll probably have to figure it out.

ser0 5y ago

Since the description is pretty light. It seems Canon Rumors is a site dedicated to Canon related news in the same vein as MacRumors.

mercantile 5y ago

Is anyone able to get a little more specific about the kinds of "creators" he's talking about and what they do exactly which drive these abuse problems? I read the article, but felt like there wasn't quite enough information to understand what a YouTube person does to cause trouble, although I totally believe it. I know a bit about cameras, but nothing about this adjacent "rumours" subindustry.

jacquesm 5y ago

Incredible how the assholes will even destroy something so obviously good and by going after the guys' wife and kids no less. It is absolutely disgusting. HN has its share of jerks, I've had someone threaten to come by my house and beat me up (I'm pretty easy to locate) but I figured it's all bluff and easier said than done, and in the camarades.com/ww.com days I got far worse thrown at me so I've learned to live with it. But it shouldn't come to that. The internet used to be a nice place. There were flamewars and the occasional crappy argument but nobody threatened people with bodily harm. Then the village became a town, and then the town became a big city. And then all the bad stuff that happens in big cities came right along with it, including the jerks, the swatters and the drive by shooters. There is a Dire Straits song in there somewhere. Sites like canonrumors.com should be neutral territory, like churches used to be, places where people can read and exchange information without harassing the owners and the moderators. If you have showdead on you can see what a 'nice' place HN is every now and then. As it gets more mainstream here too the interaction will get more coarse. I've already made up my mind to walk when dang does.

eunoia 5y ago
Well a long time ago, came a man on a track Walking thirty miles with a sack on his back And he put down his load where he thought it was the best He made a home in the wilderness He built a cabin and a winter store And he ploughed up the ground by the cold lake shore And the other travellers came walking down the track And they never went further, no they never went back Then came the churches, then came the schools Then came the lawyers, then came the rules Then came the trains and the trucks with their loads And the dirty old track was the Telegraph Road Then came the mines, then came the ore, Then there was the hard times, then there was a war Telegraph sang a song about the world outside Telegraph Road got so deep and so wide Like a rolling river Never thought I'd get to quote a Dire Straits song on Hacker News :)
- mark-r 5y ago
  And now you've pointed out a hole in my mp3 collection, thanks! I have the CD but somehow forgot to rip the song.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Great album that one.
throw0101a 5y ago
> Incredible how the assholes will even destroy something so obviously good and by going after the guys' wife and kids no less. It is absolutely disgusting. Wonder if it'd be helpful to publish and name names: > However, yesterday they came at my children and my wife. They came at my family….. little fanboys of certain YouTubers that have obviously been raised horribly. What was in my inbox I won’t even show my wife. I’m tearing up writing this with absolute disgust for how horrible people are becoming. All of this is created by the personalities (I refuse to call them creators), they feed off of it, they profit off of it and they don’t care.
- dekhn 5y ago
  When I was in college, my girlfriend lost her driver's license. Somebody mailed it back to her, but with a pornographic image pasted onto her face picture. I just don't get it.

noja 5y ago

I get an octet stream when I visit that URL edit: not the second time.

jacquesm 5y ago
I think you just betrayed your age :)

burlesona 5y ago

Seems like the site is getting the HN Hug of Death. https://archive.fo/QF72b https://archive.fo/QF72b

dang 5y ago
Also https://web.archive.org/web/20220204212748/https://www.canonrumors.com/thats-all-folks-for-me-anyway-canon-rumors-will-live-on/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220204212748/https://www.canon...

jer0me 5y ago

Can someone provide more context?

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

mwidell 5y ago

The author of the site went on a pretty fierce meltdown on Twitter, throwing shit at several people but mostly Gerald Undone who is a very loved, likeable, competent and successful gear reviewer on youtube. Now he has just deleted all these tweets. https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/with_replies https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/with_replies Honestly I think he was just frustrated with the fame, success and money that the gear-review-youtubers are getting, while he was working hard to provide news on a website that struggled to survive. That would be my guess at least.

annoyingnoob 5y ago
It sounds like someone threatened his family in a way that was meaningful. How would you react?
- mwidell 5y ago
  Having watched a lot of Gerald Undone's videos, I have a very very hard time imagining how he could incite anyone to threaten someones family. But I don't know the backstory, just saw the meltdown.
  - dblooman 5y ago
    There are lots of people, especially YouTube commentators who will rush to attack anyone who is seemed to have hated on their favourite creator. It doesn’t matter who started what, it ended with apparent threats which is not ok
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Look the kind of emotional response you get when you talk about Steve Jobs, Elon Musk or some other tech hero. It's off the scale.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  That wasn't what his original twitter rant was about though. His original rant was about YTers being overpaid and overrated, then this "someone threatened my family" claim was after that all blew up. It isn't at all clear what started all this, but the claim of threats/actual threats was the end of it.

gkoberger 5y ago

I'm not sure what happened, but it doesn't seem like this is the whole story. He deleted his tweets, but Twitter replies seem like this writer may have started the aggression. This is the best I could find in regards to context: https://twitter.com/ByStephenJones/status/1489632602122121216 https://twitter.com/ByStephenJones/status/148963260212212121... https://twitter.com/HarrisHeller/status/1489513376371785728 https://twitter.com/HarrisHeller/status/1489513376371785728 I've never heard of either person involved, and am not sure what's happening. (It's hard to put together a timeline, and I'm not sure what was said via email, but whatever it was didn't seem to come from the YouTuber in question at all nor was it prompted by him. The YouTuber in question seems like a pretty good guy, if not maybe a bit less technical, from the very little I know.)

stjohnswarts 5y ago
Well it's one thing to have a twitter argument but it sounds like they sent threats towards his family and he is quitting for their safety as he knows how crazy some nuts are on the web. Chances are they were hollow threats but sounds like it just wasn't worth it to him. He really should follow up with the police and see if he can get whoever did this and see they get some prison time for terroristic threats as they likely will just do it again with someone else now that they probably feel empowered.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  If that part is true. Not saying it isn't, but saying x happened is a good way of justifying selling something and distancing yourself from it.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    People don't tend to walk away from something they spent that much time on without a very good reason. As the - former - owner/operator of a large community I find it totally believable.

ziggus 5y ago

Wait, is all this drama going on just about a camera equipment blog/news site? WTF?

Gualdrapo 5y ago
After learning about game developers being threatened by people just because how they game performed, this does not surprise me.
Someone1234 5y ago
That's a rather dismissive attitude. Internet personalities and their fans have gone to war before, and you could dismiss those just as easily as just about "gaming" or "PC hardware" or similar. Like why not "just politics" and "just land." See everything can be thrown out with the bathwater that way.
- MikeDelta 5y ago
  Or programming language or web framework. Humans indeed like to form groups over any possible variable. Too bad it sometimes brings out the worst. Edit: spelling mistake

Kalanos 5y ago

stjohnswarts 5y ago
It's good to see how crazy people on twitter can get and why one's identity is something worth keeping anonymous. I'm guessing he got death threats towards his family and one should know about the reality of such things when dealing with crazy people on the internet.

BadAshr 5y ago

CanonRumors is a good site about... You guessed it, rumors about upcoming Canon gear. It's actually a great site, the original afaict, read by a lot of working pros and amateurs alike. The posts by CanonRumors Guy are balanced and vetted (as well as he can for rumors, anyway), and the discussion boards are great if you're a canon nerd. It's really hard to see the guy have one really shitty day on Twitter and as a result have his site basically go up in flames. I don't know GeralUndone from a hole in the wall, but there are more than enough YouTube reviewers, while CR played a very important part in the Canon news ecosystem. As others have said here, plenty of YouTubers source their info from sites like CR. I'm guessing the wall of ads in his last post is because CR Guy is bitter about how YTers are paid relative to his site, but he doesn't realize how many appreciate his work.

errcorrectcode 5y ago

I don't understand putting your whole life online, failing to appreciate trolls will try to get personal because 4chan was down, and then taking your toys and going home because you engaged them. Don't engage them, don't listen to them, and don't change what you're doing because of haters. It's not like they're blasting doom black metal at your house and burning a cross on your lawn. They're unshaven, overweight misanthropes who like tearing the wings off small animals, arguing with people online, and stalking digital personas. It's not victim-shaming to say it's a shame to make yourself a and play the victim is weak self-victimhood.