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Where do you live that 700€ a DAY is low pay? It’s, that’s MORE than 700$ a day, not less. Consider that most parts of the world have lower cost of living tha
by Jolter 5y ago
Where do you live that 700€ a DAY is low pay? It’s, that’s MORE than 700$ a day, not less.
Consider that most parts of the world have lower cost of living than the Bay Area.
- tibbetts 5y agoI prefer to be paid based on how valuable my work is to the employer, not the cost of living wherever I happen to be or even my personal financial needs.
- Jolter 5y agoSure, so do I, but when I tell my manager I'm worth X amount, he'll say that's just not where local salaries are at for my job category and responsibility. Implying that other developers in my area are available for less than I ask. I mean, if a person is able to extract 700€ per day, kudos to them but that's still above the 90th percentile of senior developers in Europe.
- tomrod 5y ago> Implying that other developers in my area are available for less than I ask. They can attempt to prove it.
- User23 5y agoI had a buddy do exactly that. His manager told him he was already paid above market. Inside a month he showed her that she was wrong and we had a gaping hole to fill in the team.
- taneq 5y agoWhat do other companies say? "Nah you're not" is a pretty standard response to "I'm worth more than this" but consider the source. For some reason many companies would far rather let a good employee leave than raise their pay to market rate.
- Fiahil 5y ago600EUR is a base rate for a freelancer in France. Remember, half of it goes to taxes.
- alistairSH 5y agoThat’s roughly equivalent to 120,000 Euro/year once normalized for taxes (~50% for self-employed, ~30% for employees). I have no idea what typical salaries are in the EU, but that’s on the low end of mid-career for much of the US.
- nickkell 5y agoIt would be the top range (if at all possible) for a developer working as a permanent employee. Usually the only way to make this kind of money is to go self-employed
- KronisLV 5y agoHeh, as a salaried dev who gets 1700 - 1800 Euros per month (so around 90 Euros per day) after taxes in Latvia, some of the numbers in this thread are pretty sobering, even if you take the costs of being self employed or taxes into account. If you take the run of the mill Java dev salary here, the net value is somewhere between 900 - 3000 Euros or so, across all levels of seniority [1]. Really makes one consider the benefits of working for companies in other countries, assuming that there are no cultural or time zone issues that cannot be dealt with. Or, you know, to acquire skills that are high in demand but relatively low in supply. [1] - https://www.algas.lv/en/salaryinfo/information-technology/java-programmer https://www.algas.lv/en/salaryinfo/information-technology/ja...
- linedash 5y agoThere are some great remote work opportunities these days. It might be worth starting to look at other European countries who are hiring. Take Ireland for example. You're not going to be making US level money but I'd say you could easily double what you're making now and there's the potential to go much higher than that.
- KronisLV 5y agoYep, and it seems like the pandemic largely showed that there are quite a few jobs out there that can be done remotely with decent success in many environments. Well, at least as long as the culture fit is there etc., admittedly remote isn't for everyone, but on the flip side, geography/commute being less of an issue for the remainder of people is great!
- throwaway22032 5y agoStandard day rate for any software contractor in London at the low end four years ago. Probably higher now.
- Jolter 5y agoLondon being one of the highest-payed places in Europe, of course.
- benhurmarcel 5y agoTo give a point of reference, an employed senior engineer in mechanical/aerospace in western Europe makes about 250-300€/day, before taxes. So 175-200€/day after taxes.