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700 a day??? Why did you undercharge by so much. I know the EU dev market isn't great but those are rookie numbers for "danger money." Three of the "retired,
by urthor 5y ago
700 a day???
Why did you undercharge by so much.
I know the EU dev market isn't great but those are rookie numbers for "danger money."
Three of the "retired, then handed enough money to unretire" COBAL guys at my old place were doing 2500 a day.
- sandos 5y agoWell, cobol is special of course. The more specialized you are... But for a generic c++, java or c# or web dev I would say you can't charge specialist money at all in the EU.
- urthor 5y agoWell it's a negotiation. Those guys succeeded at asking for 2500, but you would start at a number they are guaranteed to say no to, and work your way down. Like the going rate for a senior here is 900, and a good senior is 1200+. So your starting offer would be at least 1800, probably 2000s to round it up. Which is the high end of your zone of possible agreement (900-1200) plus 50% for danger money, plus a few hundred to round it up to 2k. Then you see what happens when you throw out the big number.
- xvector 5y agoThis, always throw out a big number. Sometimes they'll just bite and not negotiate (or barely negotiate) down.
- mattbee 5y agoI know! I did a sharp I take of breath at that number too!
- Jolter 5y agoWhere do you live that 700€ a DAY is low pay? It’s, that’s MORE than 700$ a day, not less. Consider that most parts of the world have lower cost of living than the Bay Area.
- tibbetts 5y agoI prefer to be paid based on how valuable my work is to the employer, not the cost of living wherever I happen to be or even my personal financial needs.
- Jolter 5y agoSure, so do I, but when I tell my manager I'm worth X amount, he'll say that's just not where local salaries are at for my job category and responsibility. Implying that other developers in my area are available for less than I ask. I mean, if a person is able to extract 700€ per day, kudos to them but that's still above the 90th percentile of senior developers in Europe.
- tomrod 5y ago> Implying that other developers in my area are available for less than I ask. They can attempt to prove it.
- User23 5y agoI had a buddy do exactly that. His manager told him he was already paid above market. Inside a month he showed her that she was wrong and we had a gaping hole to fill in the team.
- taneq 5y agoWhat do other companies say? "Nah you're not" is a pretty standard response to "I'm worth more than this" but consider the source. For some reason many companies would far rather let a good employee leave than raise their pay to market rate.
- Fiahil 5y ago600EUR is a base rate for a freelancer in France. Remember, half of it goes to taxes.
- alistairSH 5y ago
- Fiahil 5y agoI second this, I know some French freelancers billing 3500 EUR per day for high-level, customer-facing, devops work. The least you could do for "danger money" is 1200 EUR a day (and limit yourself to 4 days a week, but that's another story).
- nickkell 5y agoEspecially if they were contacted directly and not having to pay an additional cut to a recruiter/agency
- arendtio 5y agoIt depends on the country/region. In eastern Europe 700€ is okay, in western Europe it is rather cheap.