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Well, ZFS not being in the kernel is the easy reason I don't use zfs. The reason I don't use btrfs is I don't want to deal with problems I currently don't have

by throw7 5y ago

Well, ZFS not being in the kernel is the easy reason I don't use zfs. The reason I don't use btrfs is I don't want to deal with problems I currently don't have. ENOSPC with space available, performance issues when space available, quotas. I want evolution from where I am, not jump ship.

kadoban 5y ago
I'm curious why that's a blocker for you? It doesn't seem to affect me at all really.
- throw7 5y ago
  I call it the "easy" answer because I am old and "time is expensive" to me and I'm not rich. I want to depend on others on what to spend my time on and using in kernel on whether to "jump ship" is a filter I've decided. YMMV. Like I said, I don't use btrfs either.
  - joshenders 5y ago
    It’s distributed as a DKMS module, it’s not like we’re all doing `cd /usr/src/linux && make config`
    - Filligree 5y ago
      You run apt-get. Kernel gets updated. The ZFS module doesn't compile under the new kernel. I'm not aware of any distros except NixOS which will then proceed to roll back the entire transaction.
      - tpetry 5y ago
        Fedora CoreOS can rollback the operating system to a previous state on errors. This could be done as soon as you can‘t mount the kernel module anymore after an update.
      - doublepg23 5y ago
        Don't boot the new kernel?
      - kadoban 5y ago
        On arch I just run the LTS kernel. I've _never_ had zfs module not build.
charcircuit 5y ago
>ZFS not being in the kernel To the end user the functionality is identical whether or not it's in the kernel as opposed to just being a kernel module
- pmarreck 5y ago
  Now try booting off it with it 1) not being supported in the kernel, 2) not using Ubuntu, 3) figuring out how to boot into a previous snapshot easily
  - zeec123 5y ago
    I have zfs on root with nixos since day 1. One line of code, as other fs like ext4, btrfs or bcachefs.
    - pmarreck 5y ago
      yes but nixos requires a degree in nixos. let me know when it's accessible by mere mortal nerds who have enough new tech to stay on top of that "getting a degree in adminning my OS" is too prohibitive
  - j16sdiz 5y ago
    OpenZFS.org have pretty good guide on varies distributions. https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/index.html https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/ind... It is as easy as "Copy and Paste", but not "point and click" easy

by throw7 5y ago

kadoban 5y ago

I'm curious why that's a blocker for you? It doesn't seem to affect me at all really.

throw7 5y ago
I call it the "easy" answer because I am old and "time is expensive" to me and I'm not rich. I want to depend on others on what to spend my time on and using in kernel on whether to "jump ship" is a filter I've decided. YMMV. Like I said, I don't use btrfs either.
- joshenders 5y ago
  It’s distributed as a DKMS module, it’s not like we’re all doing `cd /usr/src/linux && make config`
  - Filligree 5y ago
    You run apt-get. Kernel gets updated. The ZFS module doesn't compile under the new kernel. I'm not aware of any distros except NixOS which will then proceed to roll back the entire transaction.
    - tpetry 5y ago
      Fedora CoreOS can rollback the operating system to a previous state on errors. This could be done as soon as you can‘t mount the kernel module anymore after an update.
    - doublepg23 5y ago
      Don't boot the new kernel?
    - kadoban 5y ago
      On arch I just run the LTS kernel. I've _never_ had zfs module not build.

charcircuit 5y ago

>ZFS not being in the kernel To the end user the functionality is identical whether or not it's in the kernel as opposed to just being a kernel module

pmarreck 5y ago
Now try booting off it with it 1) not being supported in the kernel, 2) not using Ubuntu, 3) figuring out how to boot into a previous snapshot easily
- zeec123 5y ago
  I have zfs on root with nixos since day 1. One line of code, as other fs like ext4, btrfs or bcachefs.
  - pmarreck 5y ago
    yes but nixos requires a degree in nixos. let me know when it's accessible by mere mortal nerds who have enough new tech to stay on top of that "getting a degree in adminning my OS" is too prohibitive
- j16sdiz 5y ago
  OpenZFS.org have pretty good guide on varies distributions. https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/index.html https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/ind... It is as easy as "Copy and Paste", but not "point and click" easy