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I see more damn arguments on here and EVERYWHERE else that could be mostly avoided (or at least a lot more civil) if people just talked about and agreed what th

I see more damn arguments on here and EVERYWHERE else that could be mostly avoided (or at least a lot more civil) if people just talked about and agreed what the definition of "Immunity" even means. The problem is that in popular useage, as in not medical, people use it to mean someone is completely and utterly without consequence to whatever thing they are referencing. Example: The spies were all granted immunity from prosecution. The problem with this is that the medical definition of Immunity is quite a bit different and this is an important distinction. See example below from Oxford Languages: "the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells." If we all just agreed beforehand to actually define what we mean by "Immunity" I swear 75% of these arguments would go very differently.

hajile 5y ago
The CDC literally changed their definition of vaccine after it was pointed out that the COVID vaccines wouldn’t qualify. Changing the definition that’s been around for decades smells of a con job. They should have called it a preventative therapeutic like a blood pressure or anti-seizure medication. It fits in that category much better. But if they did that, then it wouldn’t qualify for all the government protections in place for vaccines.
- ViViDboarder 5y ago
  Did you read this article? Based on what I just read, it doesn’t sound like a therapeutic at all. It gives your body something that allows it to generate an immune response so that it can quickly attack antigens and fight against an infection. Nothing about what the COVID vaccine does is similar to the therapeutics you mention and it functions in the exact same way as any other “traditional” vaccine. From what I found, the CDC changed the definition from saying something that “generates immunity” to something that “helps produce an immune response”. This is exactly what the parent comment is alluding to. The definition of “immunity” has been vague. Is it sterilization? Because, as the article points out, isn’t really what any vaccines do. They do the same thing as the latest ones. The main difference is that respiratory infections manifest faster than systemic infections. This is covered in the article here.

hajile 5y ago

The CDC literally changed their definition of vaccine after it was pointed out that the COVID vaccines wouldn’t qualify. Changing the definition that’s been around for decades smells of a con job. They should have called it a preventative therapeutic like a blood pressure or anti-seizure medication. It fits in that category much better. But if they did that, then it wouldn’t qualify for all the government protections in place for vaccines.

ViViDboarder 5y ago
Did you read this article? Based on what I just read, it doesn’t sound like a therapeutic at all. It gives your body something that allows it to generate an immune response so that it can quickly attack antigens and fight against an infection. Nothing about what the COVID vaccine does is similar to the therapeutics you mention and it functions in the exact same way as any other “traditional” vaccine. From what I found, the CDC changed the definition from saying something that “generates immunity” to something that “helps produce an immune response”. This is exactly what the parent comment is alluding to. The definition of “immunity” has been vague. Is it sterilization? Because, as the article points out, isn’t really what any vaccines do. They do the same thing as the latest ones. The main difference is that respiratory infections manifest faster than systemic infections. This is covered in the article here.