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Interesting to see the pay gap charts. > our gender gap data shows that companies are still struggling to offer their female and BIPOC workers equal pay for eq

Interesting to see the pay gap charts. > our gender gap data shows that companies are still struggling to offer their female and BIPOC workers equal pay for equal work Does this data account for levels or years of experience? For example, if there are more junior-level women in the industry than senior-and-above level women, then of course you'd expect women to earn less, percentage-wise. If it's not accounted for, then the quoted statement seems false. Similarly, how come asian workers are left out in the following statement: > With a broad stroke, male and White/Caucasian workers simply earn more than their counterparts. It seems asian workers earn even more so it's weird how only white/caucasian is called out.

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CardenB 5y ago
It seems that they have a chart for pay gap by tenure, which is by years of experience.
- thekashifmalik 5y ago
  I saw that section. It's weird to me to use tenure here instead of industry experience or level since tenure specifically means how long you've been at the same job. In my experience in tech, staying at the same company (long-tenured) is the best way to ensure you are underpaid. They seem to allude to that with: > The “Great Resignation” may present an opportunity for long-tenured, underpaid workers to find competitive pay elsewhere. If my understanding is correct then that doesn't account for what I'm calling experience or level.
- autarch 5y ago
  > It seems that they have a chart for pay gap by tenure, which is by years of experience. Tenure just refers to how long someone has been with a specific company, not how long they've been in the industry. So it's suggestive of _something_ bad that the pay gap increases with tenure for many categories of job, but it's not at all conclusive.
jjulius 5y ago
>It seems asian workers earn even more so it's weird how only white/caucasian is called out. The ethnicity graph in that section begins with, "Asian and White/Caucasian workers see similar annual pay".
- thekashifmalik 5y ago
  Yes that is correct. What I'm quoting is in the summary paragraph above that. How you present data is important and I'm wondering why it's not presented there.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    In the same spirit, I suppose one could say that it's weird that, in your first post, you didn't mention that it does ultimately say that on the website. /shrug
    - thekashifmalik 5y ago
      I suppose the point I tried to make is that the conclusion presented in the summary omits asians as high-earners and that changes the take-away. My conclusion would have been: "With a broad stroke, male, asian and White/Caucasian workers simply earn more than their counterparts." which is different from: > With a broad stroke, male and White/Caucasian workers simply earn more than their counterparts. I could be misunderstanding the point you are making.
      - jjulius 5y ago
        >I could be misunderstanding the point you are making. I don't disagree with the broader point that you're making, I'm just pointing out that you're doing what you're critiquing as you critique it. Your first post says that they don't actually say what the data shows, and you go on to suggest that an improper presentation of data can cause people take away the wrong idea. I'm saying that you choosing not to mention the fact that they do state that fact accurately merely a few sentences later also could cause people to take away the wrong idea.
jiscariot 5y ago
There are also pretty significant median age differences between ethnic populations and whites in the US (15 years IIRC). Unfortunately, you never see that controlled for.

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CardenB 5y ago

It seems that they have a chart for pay gap by tenure, which is by years of experience.

thekashifmalik 5y ago
I saw that section. It's weird to me to use tenure here instead of industry experience or level since tenure specifically means how long you've been at the same job. In my experience in tech, staying at the same company (long-tenured) is the best way to ensure you are underpaid. They seem to allude to that with: > The “Great Resignation” may present an opportunity for long-tenured, underpaid workers to find competitive pay elsewhere. If my understanding is correct then that doesn't account for what I'm calling experience or level.
autarch 5y ago
> It seems that they have a chart for pay gap by tenure, which is by years of experience. Tenure just refers to how long someone has been with a specific company, not how long they've been in the industry. So it's suggestive of _something_ bad that the pay gap increases with tenure for many categories of job, but it's not at all conclusive.

jjulius 5y ago

>It seems asian workers earn even more so it's weird how only white/caucasian is called out. The ethnicity graph in that section begins with, "Asian and White/Caucasian workers see similar annual pay".

thekashifmalik 5y ago
Yes that is correct. What I'm quoting is in the summary paragraph above that. How you present data is important and I'm wondering why it's not presented there.
- jjulius 5y ago
  In the same spirit, I suppose one could say that it's weird that, in your first post, you didn't mention that it does ultimately say that on the website. /shrug
  - thekashifmalik 5y ago
    I suppose the point I tried to make is that the conclusion presented in the summary omits asians as high-earners and that changes the take-away. My conclusion would have been: "With a broad stroke, male, asian and White/Caucasian workers simply earn more than their counterparts." which is different from: > With a broad stroke, male and White/Caucasian workers simply earn more than their counterparts. I could be misunderstanding the point you are making.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      >I could be misunderstanding the point you are making. I don't disagree with the broader point that you're making, I'm just pointing out that you're doing what you're critiquing as you critique it. Your first post says that they don't actually say what the data shows, and you go on to suggest that an improper presentation of data can cause people take away the wrong idea. I'm saying that you choosing not to mention the fact that they do state that fact accurately merely a few sentences later also could cause people to take away the wrong idea.

jiscariot 5y ago

There are also pretty significant median age differences between ethnic populations and whites in the US (15 years IIRC). Unfortunately, you never see that controlled for.