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Solved by insurance? We should normalize the idea of theft because some large entity will replace our goods whenever they are stolen? This seems like it sets up

Solved by insurance? We should normalize the idea of theft because some large entity will replace our goods whenever they are stolen? This seems like it sets up an incentive to steal, since "don't worry, it will be replaced for them by insurance anyways". Not to mention the emotional factor isn't the only factor by far. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to have my car available to me on demand, rather than have to wait to make a claim with insurance and finding a replacement. Has nothing to do with my emotions.

TameAntelope 5y ago
Yes, we should normalize not reacting violently to theft because items can be replaced by insurance. Theft is not a problem at the volume you're suggesting it is a problem. Most people don't have most of their things stolen most of the time, and AirTags have absolutely nothing to do with addressing the threat of theft. And yes, it absolutely has to do with your emotions; everything has to do with emotions, the entire concept of reacting unemotionally is literally not possible for a human being to successfully execute unless you have a severe mental disorder (you don't, I gather).
- silisili 5y ago
  There's a lot to unpack in this back and forth. Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. If everyone was so laissez faire about it, well, I'd eventually expect my house to be emptied daily, and my insurance to cost about $30k a month. I get your point that theft isn't currently -that bad-, but realize that using that info to justify thievery just keeps compounding the problem.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    > Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. I cannot stress this enough; if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.
    - silisili 5y ago
      > This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. Round and round we go. The OP of this chain was correctly stating that police rarely even investigate theft. > if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you. What a horrible thing to say. I don't think I'll reply here anymore, it's obviously going nowhere good.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        What's actually horrible is committing acts of extrajudicial violence.
        CamperBob2 5y ago
        That's up to the thief to decide. It's pretty easy to avoid such "extrajudicial violence," simply by respecting the property rights of others.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        What you're doing now is victim blaming. There are a million things that can and often do go wrong already with our criminal justice system, but it does function, more or less, as a way of arriving at a just conclusion; your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. I can't believe I have to say this, but society is worse off without laws and a just mechanism by which to enforce them.
        CamperBob2 5y ago
        your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. Sounds like you're arguing with someone who doesn't actually exist. If this happens frequently, it might be a good idea to talk about it with someone who is there for you.
        5y ago
  - rtpg 5y ago
    You think the reason that every house in the world isn't emptied out daily is because of the threat of violent reactions by others? You do realize there are loads of places in the world where people don't even lock their doors? And it's not cuz police are all over the place in those areas. Perhaps material conditions are driving crime in many places...
    - bpodgursky 5y ago
      > You do realize there are loads of places in the world where people don't even lock their doors In a place with no daily crime, EVERY crime is investigated thoroughly, and the perpetrator brought to justice with all the resources of the (very bored) local police. Think of the small town where no crime of note ever happens, and suddenly someone's house is robbed. Do you think the residents just shrug it off? Of course not — it's the only thing the town will talk about for weeks!
      - rtpg 5y ago
        Of course every crime isn't investigated thoroughly in tiny towns, the unit economics don't magically work just cuz the town is smaller. There are different dynamics in small communities on account of everyone knowing each other, etc. But it's not because there are expert detectives looking through all the clues to recover your stolen Macbook or some smashed window. Hell, loads of times small town dynamics mean people "know" who it is, and still nothing happens! Because crime and punishment isn't some sort of kanban board with a list of crimes and tickets not going closed until a perpetrator is in front of a judge.

TameAntelope 5y ago

Yes, we should normalize not reacting violently to theft because items can be replaced by insurance. Theft is not a problem at the volume you're suggesting it is a problem. Most people don't have most of their things stolen most of the time, and AirTags have absolutely nothing to do with addressing the threat of theft. And yes, it absolutely has to do with your emotions; everything has to do with emotions, the entire concept of reacting unemotionally is literally not possible for a human being to successfully execute unless you have a severe mental disorder (you don't, I gather).

silisili 5y ago
There's a lot to unpack in this back and forth. Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. If everyone was so laissez faire about it, well, I'd eventually expect my house to be emptied daily, and my insurance to cost about $30k a month. I get your point that theft isn't currently -that bad-, but realize that using that info to justify thievery just keeps compounding the problem.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  > Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. I cannot stress this enough; if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.
  - silisili 5y ago
    > This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. Round and round we go. The OP of this chain was correctly stating that police rarely even investigate theft. > if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you. What a horrible thing to say. I don't think I'll reply here anymore, it's obviously going nowhere good.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      What's actually horrible is committing acts of extrajudicial violence.
      - CamperBob2 5y ago
        That's up to the thief to decide. It's pretty easy to avoid such "extrajudicial violence," simply by respecting the property rights of others.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        What you're doing now is victim blaming. There are a million things that can and often do go wrong already with our criminal justice system, but it does function, more or less, as a way of arriving at a just conclusion; your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. I can't believe I have to say this, but society is worse off without laws and a just mechanism by which to enforce them.
        CamperBob2 5y ago
        your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. Sounds like you're arguing with someone who doesn't actually exist. If this happens frequently, it might be a good idea to talk about it with someone who is there for you.
        5y ago
- rtpg 5y ago
  You think the reason that every house in the world isn't emptied out daily is because of the threat of violent reactions by others? You do realize there are loads of places in the world where people don't even lock their doors? And it's not cuz police are all over the place in those areas. Perhaps material conditions are driving crime in many places...
  - bpodgursky 5y ago
    > You do realize there are loads of places in the world where people don't even lock their doors In a place with no daily crime, EVERY crime is investigated thoroughly, and the perpetrator brought to justice with all the resources of the (very bored) local police. Think of the small town where no crime of note ever happens, and suddenly someone's house is robbed. Do you think the residents just shrug it off? Of course not — it's the only thing the town will talk about for weeks!
    - rtpg 5y ago
      Of course every crime isn't investigated thoroughly in tiny towns, the unit economics don't magically work just cuz the town is smaller. There are different dynamics in small communities on account of everyone knowing each other, etc. But it's not because there are expert detectives looking through all the clues to recover your stolen Macbook or some smashed window. Hell, loads of times small town dynamics mean people "know" who it is, and still nothing happens! Because crime and punishment isn't some sort of kanban board with a list of crimes and tickets not going closed until a perpetrator is in front of a judge.