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I think there are a lot of people who are in my position, which is "I would absolutely love to ditch FB entirely, but I can't because of __". The value of

I think there are a lot of people who are in my position, which is "I would absolutely love to ditch FB entirely, but I can't because of ____". The value of ____ might be "seeing pictures of family", or it might be "coordination of/participation in a group that has settled on Facebook as the easiest path" (<-- this is me), or it might be "professionally necessary to be there" or a number of other things. But none of these are positive reasons. There is no love of Facebook behind any of them. It's Facebook being tolerated. This is bad for Meta. This is probably good for society at large, though. Or at least I hope it will be.

peckrob 5y ago
Yup, Facebook has their tentacles in so many places that walking away from it is difficult, especially if you are involved in local community activities. My neighborhood exclusively uses Facebook for neighborhood communication. My kid's school PTA exclusively uses Facebook. Most of the local food trucks only post their schedules on Facebook. Since the pandemic started I have been taking the opportunity to go through my house and clean out lots of things that have just been hanging around for years. I list everything I sell on Facebook, Craigslist, OfferUp, and Nextdoor. I can’t remember the last time I got a bite from any of the other services that aren't Facebook. It’s been awhile. It honestly drives me be crazy how this company has wormed their way into being such an essential piece of communication infrastructure for so many people that I can’t quit without sacrificing my ability to participate in some of the things I really enjoy. So I begrudgingly tolerate Facebook.
- ubermonkey 5y ago
  For me, it's the local cycling community. Rides and ride groups all use it as their point of coordination. >Most of the local food trucks only post their schedules on Facebook. Oh, god, that's annoying. I've actually seen some businesses forgo a proper web site and instead JUST USE FB, which is crazy annoying.
  - AstroJetson 5y ago
    This!! But its even worse, they don't update their FB page. So I'm forced to use FB to find where they are this week to find their last update was August 2021.
- oezi 5y ago
  I am from Europe so I may not get it, but what communication does a neighborhood do that is important? Yard sales? Do people really participate in something like school PTA and eat often at food trucks? I guess electronic platforms are more fragmented here in Europe. Google Maps owns business hours, various classified sites (such as Ebay's) own selling stuff locally. But everything might be different in each country really. I think people have become more vary to post personal things online. I know very little parents that would be okay to publish pictures of their kids online (including on Facebook).
  - sseagull 5y ago
    Our neighborhood uses an FB group. There are typically 2-3 posts a week. * lost and found (including pets) * HOA announcements * changes to the trash pickup schedule, special trash collections, etc * other events (Santa parade) * new neighbor introductions * recommendations (repairs, babysitting, dog sitting) * free stuff or stuff for sale * general advice on house construction (many houses are similar) It’s not important per se, and not everyone is in the group. But it does come in handy.
  - ubermonkey 5y ago
    Is it so weird to imagine that having a shared communication space for one's neighborhood is desirable? There's a group for my neighborhood in Houston that's great for referrals (e.g., electricians), or notes about neighborhood businesses, etc. I can't imagine this idea is uniquely American, but maybe it is. Yes, parents often participate in PTAs. Parent engagement is a big deal in education. Yes, in many places in the US there are food trucks. People often enjoy them. Finding out where a given truck will be on Tuesday is useful! Businesses generally keep Facebook pages in the US, usually as a supplement to a real web site, but also because Facebook has traditionally been where everyone is already.
    - Charlie_26 5y ago
      What is a food truck? Can it dump the food in my mouth?
  - mongol 5y ago
- clbrook 5y ago
  I'm working on another option for some of these things on my platform, Tosslet: https://tosslet.com https://tosslet.com Would love some feedback on if you think it would help solve communications from: 1) PTA -> resident 2) Food Trucks -> nearby people
  - easrng 5y ago
    Your main non-social-media competitor here is probably going to be https://www.remind.com/ https://www.remind.com/, and I really can't see you winning, especially when you charge as much as you do. (I initially misread your pricing, but $0.60 is still kind of a lot.)
markwkw 5y ago
It's like that with me and having a phone number. Day to day I hate it. 95% of time I get scam calls from the "IRS" - actively harmful. Another 4% is marketing - unwanted, wasteful. Only the last 1% is potentially useful. Is facebook trending in that direction? Seems like it.
- hkt 5y ago
  I wonder if there's a generalisable statement in there - say, that all communication media will eventually become so swamped in noise that the signal is lost almost entirely? Maybe too pessimistic.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    It seems spot on to me. The fix is rather simple though, allow consumers to set some price that must be paid prior to sending the communication attempt. Want to call or email me and aren’t on my accepted list? $5 please.
- herbst 5y ago
  I quit having a phone number and just rent virtual ones for shitty webservices that force me to have a number. Zero regrets. I quit Facebook years ago and do not miss anything either, so maybe it's just me.
prostoalex 5y ago
Cal Newport's "Digital Minimalism" addresses this common use-case scenario. 1) Remove the apps from your phone and log out on mobile browser, making each future login a concentrated intentional effort. (You can leave Messenger if that might be used for emergency contacts). 2) Use www version only. 3) Choose a time when you're going to sit by your home computer, and use social media for some pre-determined time slot, let's say 30 minutes. The social networks are very good at serving this use case - showing most important content first, and relegating the junky stuff further down the feed. This way you won't miss any baby photos or wedding announcements, but will be spared from your uncle getting into a heated political discussion.
- quanticle 5y ago
  The social networks are very good at serving this use case - showing most important content first, and relegating the junky stuff further down the feed. Only up to a point. I have actually missed wedding announcements because the announcement was pushed far down by more recent but less relevant news. Yes, if you use Facebook for 30 minutes a day, you probably won't miss anything. But if you use Facebook less often than that (like an hour a week, or once a month), you will absolutely miss relevant news because it'll be pushed down by whatever political shoutfest is currently drawing comments and reactions.
  - annadane 5y ago
    > Yes, if you use Facebook for 30 minutes a day, you probably won't miss anything. But if you use Facebook less often than that (like an hour a week, or once a month) Which I'm sure is complete coincidence and not at all intended to draw you into using Facebook every second of every hour of every day
nradov 5y ago
I don't have any particular love for Facebook, but it remains the best way to share my underwater photography with friends. That's a positive reason. I appreciate how they give me a convenient distribution platform and it's all free.
- tekknik 5y ago
  Why could you not post all of your pics to a shared photo album that’s shared with your friends? It’d even remove the step of posting it only because as soon as it’s on your machine it’s uploaded to your cloud photo album. And it’s still free. Further what if you want to share this with those that aren’t your friends? You’ve required facebook usage with no real gain.
bko 5y ago
Seeing pictures of family and participating in group events are all positive in my opinion. My son's daycare has a facebook page. It's very convenient to stay up to date on my own schedule without having to deal with emails. My pizzeria also has a facebook page. It's an easy way to look up hours or any updates. My gym has an instagram page to post their workouts and schedule. It's very convenient. The owners aren't very tech savvy so its easy for them. And its easy for me because the website isn't broken, gives me everything I need, lets me comment or reach out to the owners and is well indexed It's like saying "I wouldn't use product if not for the value I get from the product".
- tekknik 5y ago
  Two of your examples can be done using a shared calendar, which is more fitting in these cases than facebook, and integrates more deeply into devices, and the third about looking up hours can be done using the maps app. They try to make you think they invented the wheel but really they’re just offering the same services as elsewhere under their umbrella.
- ubermonkey 5y ago
  The information you get from businesses USED to be available on their own sites, without requiring you to submit to Facebook's invasive tracking.
patchorang 5y ago
(this was years ago but) I thought this too. I was relatively new to a new city and still building my friend group. I was worried that if I deleted facebook I wouldn't get invited to events, keep in touch with new people I met. I deleted it anyway. Deleting facebook didn't change my real world in anyway.

I think there are a lot of people who are in my position, which is "I would absolutely love to ditch FB entirely, but I can't because of ____". The value of __

peckrob 5y ago

Yup, Facebook has their tentacles in so many places that walking away from it is difficult, especially if you are involved in local community activities. My neighborhood exclusively uses Facebook for neighborhood communication. My kid's school PTA exclusively uses Facebook. Most of the local food trucks only post their schedules on Facebook. Since the pandemic started I have been taking the opportunity to go through my house and clean out lots of things that have just been hanging around for years. I list everything I sell on Facebook, Craigslist, OfferUp, and Nextdoor. I can’t remember the last time I got a bite from any of the other services that aren't Facebook. It’s been awhile. It honestly drives me be crazy how this company has wormed their way into being such an essential piece of communication infrastructure for so many people that I can’t quit without sacrificing my ability to participate in some of the things I really enjoy. So I begrudgingly tolerate Facebook.

ubermonkey 5y ago
For me, it's the local cycling community. Rides and ride groups all use it as their point of coordination. >Most of the local food trucks only post their schedules on Facebook. Oh, god, that's annoying. I've actually seen some businesses forgo a proper web site and instead JUST USE FB, which is crazy annoying.
- AstroJetson 5y ago
  This!! But its even worse, they don't update their FB page. So I'm forced to use FB to find where they are this week to find their last update was August 2021.
oezi 5y ago
I am from Europe so I may not get it, but what communication does a neighborhood do that is important? Yard sales? Do people really participate in something like school PTA and eat often at food trucks? I guess electronic platforms are more fragmented here in Europe. Google Maps owns business hours, various classified sites (such as Ebay's) own selling stuff locally. But everything might be different in each country really. I think people have become more vary to post personal things online. I know very little parents that would be okay to publish pictures of their kids online (including on Facebook).
- sseagull 5y ago
  Our neighborhood uses an FB group. There are typically 2-3 posts a week. * lost and found (including pets) * HOA announcements * changes to the trash pickup schedule, special trash collections, etc * other events (Santa parade) * new neighbor introductions * recommendations (repairs, babysitting, dog sitting) * free stuff or stuff for sale * general advice on house construction (many houses are similar) It’s not important per se, and not everyone is in the group. But it does come in handy.
- ubermonkey 5y ago
  Is it so weird to imagine that having a shared communication space for one's neighborhood is desirable? There's a group for my neighborhood in Houston that's great for referrals (e.g., electricians), or notes about neighborhood businesses, etc. I can't imagine this idea is uniquely American, but maybe it is. Yes, parents often participate in PTAs. Parent engagement is a big deal in education. Yes, in many places in the US there are food trucks. People often enjoy them. Finding out where a given truck will be on Tuesday is useful! Businesses generally keep Facebook pages in the US, usually as a supplement to a real web site, but also because Facebook has traditionally been where everyone is already.
  - Charlie_26 5y ago
    What is a food truck? Can it dump the food in my mouth?
- mongol 5y ago
clbrook 5y ago
I'm working on another option for some of these things on my platform, Tosslet: https://tosslet.com https://tosslet.com Would love some feedback on if you think it would help solve communications from: 1) PTA -> resident 2) Food Trucks -> nearby people
- easrng 5y ago
  Your main non-social-media competitor here is probably going to be https://www.remind.com/ https://www.remind.com/, and I really can't see you winning, especially when you charge as much as you do. (I initially misread your pricing, but $0.60 is still kind of a lot.)

markwkw 5y ago

It's like that with me and having a phone number. Day to day I hate it. 95% of time I get scam calls from the "IRS" - actively harmful. Another 4% is marketing - unwanted, wasteful. Only the last 1% is potentially useful. Is facebook trending in that direction? Seems like it.

hkt 5y ago
I wonder if there's a generalisable statement in there - say, that all communication media will eventually become so swamped in noise that the signal is lost almost entirely? Maybe too pessimistic.
- tekknik 5y ago
  It seems spot on to me. The fix is rather simple though, allow consumers to set some price that must be paid prior to sending the communication attempt. Want to call or email me and aren’t on my accepted list? $5 please.
herbst 5y ago
I quit having a phone number and just rent virtual ones for shitty webservices that force me to have a number. Zero regrets. I quit Facebook years ago and do not miss anything either, so maybe it's just me.

prostoalex 5y ago

Cal Newport's "Digital Minimalism" addresses this common use-case scenario. 1) Remove the apps from your phone and log out on mobile browser, making each future login a concentrated intentional effort. (You can leave Messenger if that might be used for emergency contacts). 2) Use www version only. 3) Choose a time when you're going to sit by your home computer, and use social media for some pre-determined time slot, let's say 30 minutes. The social networks are very good at serving this use case - showing most important content first, and relegating the junky stuff further down the feed. This way you won't miss any baby photos or wedding announcements, but will be spared from your uncle getting into a heated political discussion.

quanticle 5y ago
The social networks are very good at serving this use case - showing most important content first, and relegating the junky stuff further down the feed. Only up to a point. I have actually missed wedding announcements because the announcement was pushed far down by more recent but less relevant news. Yes, if you use Facebook for 30 minutes a day, you probably won't miss anything. But if you use Facebook less often than that (like an hour a week, or once a month), you will absolutely miss relevant news because it'll be pushed down by whatever political shoutfest is currently drawing comments and reactions.
- annadane 5y ago
  > Yes, if you use Facebook for 30 minutes a day, you probably won't miss anything. But if you use Facebook less often than that (like an hour a week, or once a month) Which I'm sure is complete coincidence and not at all intended to draw you into using Facebook every second of every hour of every day

nradov 5y ago

I don't have any particular love for Facebook, but it remains the best way to share my underwater photography with friends. That's a positive reason. I appreciate how they give me a convenient distribution platform and it's all free.

tekknik 5y ago
Why could you not post all of your pics to a shared photo album that’s shared with your friends? It’d even remove the step of posting it only because as soon as it’s on your machine it’s uploaded to your cloud photo album. And it’s still free. Further what if you want to share this with those that aren’t your friends? You’ve required facebook usage with no real gain.

bko 5y ago

Seeing pictures of family and participating in group events are all positive in my opinion. My son's daycare has a facebook page. It's very convenient to stay up to date on my own schedule without having to deal with emails. My pizzeria also has a facebook page. It's an easy way to look up hours or any updates. My gym has an instagram page to post their workouts and schedule. It's very convenient. The owners aren't very tech savvy so its easy for them. And its easy for me because the website isn't broken, gives me everything I need, lets me comment or reach out to the owners and is well indexed It's like saying "I wouldn't use product if not for the value I get from the product".

tekknik 5y ago
Two of your examples can be done using a shared calendar, which is more fitting in these cases than facebook, and integrates more deeply into devices, and the third about looking up hours can be done using the maps app. They try to make you think they invented the wheel but really they’re just offering the same services as elsewhere under their umbrella.
ubermonkey 5y ago
The information you get from businesses USED to be available on their own sites, without requiring you to submit to Facebook's invasive tracking.

patchorang 5y ago

(this was years ago but) I thought this too. I was relatively new to a new city and still building my friend group. I was worried that if I deleted facebook I wouldn't get invited to events, keep in touch with new people I met. I deleted it anyway. Deleting facebook didn't change my real world in anyway.