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GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers
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- freeone3000 5y ago
- SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y agogive us a source on that 80% truckers are protesting the mandates so people can do what they want live or die on their own terms thats what your last sentence is saying then so you agree?
- freeone3000 5y agoSource: https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2022-01-14/montreal/le-delestage-passe-au-niveau-4-dans-deux-hopitaux.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2022-01-14/montreal/le-dele... And no, I don't agree. I'm for a universal vaccination mandate. The government isn't, however. The spokeswoman talking to CBC actually wouldn't answer any questions about their protest or goals, so all I have is speculation as to what they actually want.
- SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y agoarticle is in french and translated it says "28% of all our available beds that are currently occupied by COVlD patients." it says reducing some other activities to help with covid but not 80% of resources going to it
- MatteoFrigo 5y agoIf you have one hour, you don't need to speculate: https://rumble.com/vtp2lw-freedom-convoy-organizers-press-conference.html https://rumble.com/vtp2lw-freedom-convoy-organizers-press-co...
- SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y agono mandates its literally on every truck
- exabrial 5y agoIt surprises me to see GoFundMe bow to political pressure, when the platform is designed to fund people that are standing up against governments.
- adamrezich 5y agothis is not the first time we've seen this happen in the past few years so at this point it's kind of baffling why any kind of political dissent even attempts to be funded on GFM. there's so many other avenues that could be used instead, why do people keep trying to use this one for this purpose?
- vnchr 5y agoThe people who operate the platforms can have individual political motivations.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y agoWhere do you get the idea that the platform was designed to stand up to governments?
- myself248 5y agoHow dare Americans find a way to pay for medical treatment?!?
- kayodelycaon 5y agoHow is paying for medical treatments standing up to a government? It's perfectly legal to do that.
- pessimizer 5y agoThat's weird, because I've never seen ISIS on there.
- bawolff 5y agoI'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.
- beerandt 5y agoI'm still curious how these sites skirt banking regulations, for what is essentially what PayPal was originally (advertised as sending/ transferring money, but between delays and dark patterns, it really ends up in an account under their control, at least temporarily). If they're going to lock or delete an account (regardless of reason), there should be a requirement that funds are either paid to the benefactor or refunded immediately.
- rchaud 5y agoThey skirt it because regulators are largely clueless and don't take action until it blows up into a public scandal.
- beerandt 5y agoBut this isn't Uber or even crypto. There are clear definitions, regulations, and penalties for operating as a dollar holding/ transferring financial institution. Especially since the percentage paid as a fee makes it essentially a defaulted account, or at least a service not provided and funds not returned. These types of donation accounts have a long history at brick banks of helping those in need (while taking a hefty percentage off the top). It's not a new idea. I suspect it's more likely this isn't lack of regulation, so much as a loophole or stretched legal definition. Maybe someone here is familiar with their regulatory classification. You don't launch something like this without reasonably ensuring the feds aren't coming after you.
- chickenpotpie 5y ago> If they're going to lock or delete an account (regardless of reason), there should be a requirement that funds are either paid to the benefactor or refunded immediately. Gofundme partially locked the funds because they don’t know who the benefactor is anymore (according to their official statement). Who gets the money? Does it just go to every person in the city with a semi truck or is it just going to some random person that we hope won’t take the money and run? As for refunds, I would be willing to bet anyone that donated could go ask gofundme for a refund right now and get their money back. Sure they could mass refund everyone right away, but it seems like a bad policy to do a mass refund whenever the benefactor becomes unclear. It would be incredibly annoying to fund a huge project and the point of contact for the project quits and for all the funding to instantly get refunded.
- uejfiweun 5y agoThe more and more that banks and other organizations do things like this, the more and more sense crypto makes in general.
- nxmnxm99 5y agoI'm fairly ignorant of crypto, but wouldn't exchanges hold similar power?
- miohtama 5y agoPeer-to-peer cryptocurrencies do not need intermediates. For governance, one can use smart contracts. This is why things like ConstituionDAO can happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConstitutionDAO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConstitutionDAO If it’s good or not is another topic, but it is definitely possible to skip banks and other middlemen.
- sremani 5y agoThis Crypto bullshit has to stop -- ConstitutionDAO did not give ownership to its stake holders. It was a glorified IoU, a private fiat version of stock/equity into the so called Constitution copy. All the power was held by an LLC and two dudes.
- kayodelycaon 5y agoI'm not a lawyer, but this reads like offering shares in a private company. No matter how you knock this up, a corporation or individual ends up with ownership and control in the real world. You need a real-world way to enforce whatever they promise, which is either through civil law via contract or criminal law via fraud. All crypto is is a signature on a document. These documents are not guaranteed to hold up in court, especially when there isn't good case law around whatever you invented to get around existing laws.
- DonHopkins 5y agoFunny how just hours ago, rosndo was just falsely claiming that "That low-effort shilling hardly exists on HN", and then there you go. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30194128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30194128
- infamouscow 5y agoThe Canadian government is spewing gasoline and the truckers are holding the matches.
- labster 5y agoYeah, seriously. What is up with all that tar sand oil ruining our environment from Canada? Build your own pipelines and don’t ruin our tribal land down south, please.
- ipaddr 5y agoYou realize that without that pipeline they ship it by truck which is much worse for the environment. Without demand it wouldn't be sold to the US.
- BizarroLand 5y agoYeah, but general damage to the environment is better than destroying a specific group of people's homeland. Oil pipelines leak frequently. An oil leak in some tribal lands could poison the water and make the tribal lands unlivable for years. Why is that less of a concern than the environment as a whole? It's no more right to justify that than it would be to justify putting all of the country's debt on a single person or taking all of the pollution in the atmosphere but smothering individual children with it so that everyone else can breathe freely.
- ipaddr 5y agoIt adds a new risk that a pipeline could become damaged which could leak into the environment which could hurt land owned by one Indian tribe. So we bring in huge ships with oil from the middle east that often run into trouble and spill into the ocean. The money we send allows dictators to force millions into slavery and prevents women from having basic human rights. There are many reasons why a pipeline was preferable to the status quo
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- chermi 5y agoIs the money that was already donated still accessible? This doesn't sit well with me. I guess it's a private company, but damn.
- kayodelycaon 5y agoIt sounds like they froze everything as is. If they can't legally release the funds to they'd likely just refund the people who donated.
- MatteoFrigo 5y agoA lawyer for the movement gave a press conference today, saying approximately the following. Because it is complicated for GoFundMe to distribute funds to individual truckers, GFM is exercising heightened due diligence, as they should. Meanwhile, the movement is setting up a nonprofit company, with all the proper auditing and accounting mechanisms in place. Once everything is ready, GFM will distribute the money to a trust fund managed by the company, and truckers will issue claims against the fund. Edit: link: https://rumble.com/vtz6fg-freedom-convoy-2022-press-conference-about-fundraiser.html https://rumble.com/vtz6fg-freedom-convoy-2022-press-conferen... starts around 5:00
- jeromegv 5y agoThey'll just refund it back, that's the standard policy. It's not stolen.
- BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 5y agoThe money should first go to Ottawa residents besieged and subjected to 24 hour honking, diesel fumes and noise from engines running through the night. Then there's revenue loss for the businesses forced to shut down and wage loss for their employees. Class Action Suit could rightfully clean out the GoFundMe.
- chermi 5y agoAre you being serious?
- toraway1234 5y agoHonk Honk
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- msie 5y agoAlso the soup kitchen harrassed by the protesters for food.
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- truthwhisperer 5y ago
- Barrin92 5y agookay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.
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- ctoth 5y agoI don't really want to get into the weeds here, but when you take a step back and squint a little bit it's hard to tell if this message was written by someone complaining about Canadian Truckers or about the 2020 Summer riots. Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?
- manquer 5y agoThere are peaceful ways to protest and expressing oneself, occupying a city this way and stealing food from a homeless shelter is not one of them that should be tolerated. Edit: See my comment below for sources on homeless shelter
- kangaroozach 5y agoStealing food? Can you cite that?
- manquer 5y agoIt was covered in the news well [1] [2] [3] [4]. Even Trudeau mentioned it in his comments. [1] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-harassed-by-convoy-protesters-demanding-food-1.5760423 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-hara... [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/31/canada-trudeau-denounces-anti-vaccine-trucker-protests https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/31/canada-trudeau-deno... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/police-say-ottawa-truck-protest-dwindle-demonstrators-remain-stubborn-2022-01-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/police-say-ottawa-tru... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/world/canada/trudeau-truckers-anti-vax-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/world/canada/trudeau-truc...
- mig39 5y ago[flagged]
- givemeethekeys 5y agoCalling people names is a cheap shot at attempting to discredit them.
- mig39 5y ago[flagged]
- _-david-_ 5y agoA small number of people should not distract from the meaning of the protests. A few people did similar things during the BLM riots, do you think everyone involved with BLM is a Nazi or do you hold double standards?
- mythrwy 5y agoIt's awfully handy for governments if all it takes to completely discredit a protest is one swastika flag.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago>"But yeah, the last thing you should do to someone with a swastika flag is call them a Nazi. It's a cheap shot." What you're actually doing is taking the evidence that unidentified individuals with a Nazi flag showed up at a demonstration involving thousands of people and ascribing that as representative of the entire movement. That's the cheap shot. There is no way for any protest movement to prevent some dudes from showing up with Nazi flags and getting their picture taken at it.
- GauntletWizard 5y agoI once saw a LaRouche protest describe the same way. The LaRouchies are crazy, but they're not Nazis - What they'd done was Photoshop a picture of Obama with a picture of Hitler.
- tonfreed 5y agoAmazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.
- colpabar 5y agoWhat gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?
- DonHopkins 5y agoAre you trying to say that there are "very fine people on both sides"?
- colpabar 5y agoNo, I tried to make my comment thoughtful and hoped someone would want to engage with it so maybe we could learn something.
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- _-david-_ 5y agoWhat if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.
- krapp 5y ago[flagged]
- 9935c101ab17a66 5y agoAgreed. As soon as you have to defend your “peaceful protest movement” with the statement: “we’re not ALL nazis,” you’ve lost the plot.
- vba616 5y agoPeople were defending it by claiming that the protestors were using swastikas to call out the Canadian government as being like Nazis. How do you know what's going on? Are you there?
- 9935c101ab17a66 5y agoIf that was actually the case — they are asserting the Canadian government are literal Nazis — that's offensively stupid. It's also kind of a convenient excuse, and probably the only way you could positively 'spin' displaying such a blatant hate symbol. We both know that's not the real reason they are displaying it though. Organizations and governments are frequently accused of being the second coming of Hitler's National Socialist party, but in what distorted reality does it make sense to accuse your opponent of being fascists by flying a hateful, fascist flag. That's not how things work. > How do you know what's going on? Are you there? Are you really asking me if I'm embedded in a protest movement that has defaced the Terry Fox statue and raided a homeless shelter? No, I'm not. But a quick google uncovers a quote from the 'movement's' spokesperson, who was asked about the proudly displayed symbols of hate: > When asked specifically about the swastika, he brushed the question off: “People troll, do stupid things, whatever. Who cares?” That doesn't exactly fit with the narrative you presented, and suggest they don't have an explanation for why members are showing hate symbols. And so it's logical to assume that the members displaying these ridiculous hate symbols are doing it because they are hateful people, who feel these symbols are the best way to communicate their message to the rest of the world.
- mig39 5y agohttps://www.trucknews.com/blogs/the-so-called-freedom-convoy-was-never-about-truckers-or-border-mandates/ https://www.trucknews.com/blogs/the-so-called-freedom-convoy...