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Does anyone else find this on the level of batshit crazy insane? Meta, are we really going to divest so far from the physical world that the a virtual reality i

Does anyone else find this on the level of batshit crazy insane? Meta, are we really going to divest so far from the physical world that the a virtual reality is worth that much? I mean VR is realistically a video game. I just don't see it but I do see desperation from FB.

mmaunder 5y ago
Then you’ve never experienced how transformative VR is and you lack vision.
- notyourwork 5y ago
  Transformative, can you be more specific? The "lack of vision" seems like an attack more than a justification that VR is something beyond a gimmick.
- rezbull 5y ago
  Sounds similar to what crypto fanatics say.
- mypalmike 5y ago
  Some of us saw the last wave of VR hype. It was around the same time as PalmOS, iPaq, and other handheld computing devices. It wasn't obvious to most people at the time that one of these technologies would transform the world. But visionaries saw it. It wasn't VR then and it won't be now. VR has gained a foothold in this wave in its niches of gaming, other "entertainment", and random educational and military applications. General casual use beyond that is a pipe dream.
  - Karsteski 5y ago
    You're very confident in thinking you know the future.
    - mypalmike 5y ago
      That's because I'm a time traveler. I'm living in the future (of the last hype cycle). Strapping on a VR helmet is the opposite of everything most people want to do with their faces, their bodies, their lives. Contact lens form factor AR, if it ever arrives, could change the equation wrt human nature.
  - notyourwork 5y ago
    > General casual use beyond that is a pipe dream. I'm happy to be proven wrong but this is my perspective as well. I just cannot imagine us delving so far into VR that is transcends beyond physical space. I mean at what point does that idea become dystopian enough that people decide to go outside and take a breath of fresh air, feel the grass, see and hear the planet?
Calist0 5y ago
I think this pandemic has proved how sane the idea of a Metaverse would be. Imagine meeting someone online, dating or friendship, you put on a lightweight VR headset and get transported to a replicated NYC rooftop bar, where loads of people from around the world are sitting, drinking and chatting. Socializing with a date or a group of people at the comfort of your home, going on outings, inviting your friends to your digital house, work meetings in a digital office instead of Zoom (I already seen companies doing this; VR meetings). People will be able to form romantic relationships and stronger friendships from across the world. Zoom, Skype, Discord will seem like old world relics. It's like the appeal of World of Warcraft when it was a its peak, but not gaming - not appealing to just gamers. Appealing to everyone who's open to socializing online.
- sjg007 5y ago
  Roblox proved it. Fortnite is a close second. YouTube is where the money is at.
  - notyourwork 5y ago
    For someone missing context, why do you say YouTube is where the money is at? Help me understand.
    - sjg007 5y ago
      My kids play roblox and minecraft and watch roblox/minecraft videos on youtube, hours and hours long. Some youtubers make 1 hour long movies, these 100 days on minecraft sagas. Just to put into perspective there are basically ongoing minecraft/roblox soap operas on youtube... Amazon has even picked up on this... My kids even make a few tiktok and youtube videos and have gotten huge engagement. Even the youtubers who do (in real life) IRL videos adopt things from minecraft/roblox /among us. It is absolutely unreal.
      - spideymans 5y ago
        Minecraft is more than a decade old at this point, but I’ve yet to see anyone over the age of 16 be interested in this kind of content. I’m not convinced that this will appeal to anyone but children
chaostheory 5y ago
You really have to try it before you pan it. It's a new class of computing. Google Cardboard and other non 6DOF VR systems don't count.
Nbox9 5y ago
This gives them more (young) users, a better connection to their users, a ton of patents, and jumps them out of the smartphone era. They are dead in the water without a gambit of a similar size, buying up the competition (their previous primary strategy) only works as long as regulatory agencies are willing to play ball.
Karrot_Kream 5y ago
I'm pretty sure every tele-technology has had folks who found them just a bit too far beyond the pale. Why call when the people you want to talk to are a walk away? Why send a telegram when you can call? Why send email when you can send a telegram? etc. I also think even if XR does become a reality, it won't be _us_ that truly buys into it, but a younger generation that grows up in it and makes their own norms in it, the way much of my generation was on the early Internet, and the next generation was on the early Web. For me the killer application is the ability to replace the office. There's already VR software that lets you have a virtual workspace with multiple monitors in VR. It would be so much more convenient to be able to have a large virtual office available to you in VR rather than building a large, physical office IRL.
IAmGraydon 5y ago
The idea of the metaverse has happened over and over throughout the last few decades and has failed every time. It will continue to fail until the technology backing it is utterly incredible. Oculus is nowhere close. We’re talking about needing an F-16 and currently having the Wright brothers’ airplane. Give it another 40 or 50 years and maybe it will be viable.
- TheRealNGenius 5y ago
  that's a very fixed idea of what it would take
spookthesunset 5y ago
It’s totally a batshit Hail Mary. Like it’s total vaporware at this point. Where is this metaverse? Where do I log in? It’s all marketing hype and it’s creating dreams in peoples heads that will come crashing down when they actually use whatever this product is. Because whatever they ship, whenever they ship it, will be a thing that is huge and has little knowledge of what it’s market fit will be. They aren’t starting small and nimble like a startup. They are betting huge high stakes games with almost no real market testing.

mmaunder 5y ago

Then you’ve never experienced how transformative VR is and you lack vision.

notyourwork 5y ago
Transformative, can you be more specific? The "lack of vision" seems like an attack more than a justification that VR is something beyond a gimmick.
rezbull 5y ago
Sounds similar to what crypto fanatics say.
mypalmike 5y ago
Some of us saw the last wave of VR hype. It was around the same time as PalmOS, iPaq, and other handheld computing devices. It wasn't obvious to most people at the time that one of these technologies would transform the world. But visionaries saw it. It wasn't VR then and it won't be now. VR has gained a foothold in this wave in its niches of gaming, other "entertainment", and random educational and military applications. General casual use beyond that is a pipe dream.
- Karsteski 5y ago
  You're very confident in thinking you know the future.
  - mypalmike 5y ago
    That's because I'm a time traveler. I'm living in the future (of the last hype cycle). Strapping on a VR helmet is the opposite of everything most people want to do with their faces, their bodies, their lives. Contact lens form factor AR, if it ever arrives, could change the equation wrt human nature.
- notyourwork 5y ago
  > General casual use beyond that is a pipe dream. I'm happy to be proven wrong but this is my perspective as well. I just cannot imagine us delving so far into VR that is transcends beyond physical space. I mean at what point does that idea become dystopian enough that people decide to go outside and take a breath of fresh air, feel the grass, see and hear the planet?

Calist0 5y ago

I think this pandemic has proved how sane the idea of a Metaverse would be. Imagine meeting someone online, dating or friendship, you put on a lightweight VR headset and get transported to a replicated NYC rooftop bar, where loads of people from around the world are sitting, drinking and chatting. Socializing with a date or a group of people at the comfort of your home, going on outings, inviting your friends to your digital house, work meetings in a digital office instead of Zoom (I already seen companies doing this; VR meetings). People will be able to form romantic relationships and stronger friendships from across the world. Zoom, Skype, Discord will seem like old world relics. It's like the appeal of World of Warcraft when it was a its peak, but not gaming - not appealing to just gamers. Appealing to everyone who's open to socializing online.

sjg007 5y ago
Roblox proved it. Fortnite is a close second. YouTube is where the money is at.
- notyourwork 5y ago
  For someone missing context, why do you say YouTube is where the money is at? Help me understand.
  - sjg007 5y ago
    My kids play roblox and minecraft and watch roblox/minecraft videos on youtube, hours and hours long. Some youtubers make 1 hour long movies, these 100 days on minecraft sagas. Just to put into perspective there are basically ongoing minecraft/roblox soap operas on youtube... Amazon has even picked up on this... My kids even make a few tiktok and youtube videos and have gotten huge engagement. Even the youtubers who do (in real life) IRL videos adopt things from minecraft/roblox /among us. It is absolutely unreal.
    - spideymans 5y ago
      Minecraft is more than a decade old at this point, but I’ve yet to see anyone over the age of 16 be interested in this kind of content. I’m not convinced that this will appeal to anyone but children

chaostheory 5y ago

You really have to try it before you pan it. It's a new class of computing. Google Cardboard and other non 6DOF VR systems don't count.

Nbox9 5y ago

This gives them more (young) users, a better connection to their users, a ton of patents, and jumps them out of the smartphone era. They are dead in the water without a gambit of a similar size, buying up the competition (their previous primary strategy) only works as long as regulatory agencies are willing to play ball.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago

I'm pretty sure every tele-technology has had folks who found them just a bit too far beyond the pale. Why call when the people you want to talk to are a walk away? Why send a telegram when you can call? Why send email when you can send a telegram? etc. I also think even if XR does become a reality, it won't be _us_ that truly buys into it, but a younger generation that grows up in it and makes their own norms in it, the way much of my generation was on the early Internet, and the next generation was on the early Web. For me the killer application is the ability to replace the office. There's already VR software that lets you have a virtual workspace with multiple monitors in VR. It would be so much more convenient to be able to have a large virtual office available to you in VR rather than building a large, physical office IRL.

IAmGraydon 5y ago

The idea of the metaverse has happened over and over throughout the last few decades and has failed every time. It will continue to fail until the technology backing it is utterly incredible. Oculus is nowhere close. We’re talking about needing an F-16 and currently having the Wright brothers’ airplane. Give it another 40 or 50 years and maybe it will be viable.

TheRealNGenius 5y ago
that's a very fixed idea of what it would take

spookthesunset 5y ago

It’s totally a batshit Hail Mary. Like it’s total vaporware at this point. Where is this metaverse? Where do I log in? It’s all marketing hype and it’s creating dreams in peoples heads that will come crashing down when they actually use whatever this product is. Because whatever they ship, whenever they ship it, will be a thing that is huge and has little knowledge of what it’s market fit will be. They aren’t starting small and nimble like a startup. They are betting huge high stakes games with almost no real market testing.