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My 16yo daughter says FB is for old people and nobody in her age group is using it.
by josefrichter 5y ago
My 16yo daughter says FB is for old people and nobody in her age group is using it.
- joelbondurant1 5y ago[dead]
- petilon 5y agoBut they use Instagram instead. Either way Zuck wins.
- elwell 5y agoFacebook is for old people. Instagram is for moderately old people. Snapchat is for moderately young people. TikTok is for young people.
- chris_wot 5y agoHopefully soon Facebook won't even be for young people.
- makeworld 5y agoEveryone uses Instagram, teens most of all.
- jader201 5y agoMost of the “not so young” people I know do not even have an Instagram account. Of my two teens, only one of them uses it (the other has zero interest). I’m trying to do my part in keeping my teens off social media. I’m about 50% successful.
- spideymans 5y agoEh… anecdotes are anecdotal, but in my experience the only reason people use Instagram is for messenger. Almost everyone is on Instagram, so it makes it really easy to connect with people. Kind of like a giant phonebook. I almost never see any of my friends posting on Instagram anymore. The only ones that do are artists and people with some “personal brand” to promote (aka, they have a business interest in posting to IG). Some more people post on stories, but even that’s rare. Like Facebook, most people I know hate using Instagram, so I figure it’s only a matter of time before it’s engagement numbers go down. I’m in my 20s for reference. I feel like in the coming years we’ll see these Gen Z kids almost entirely eschew posting on social media. Most young people I know are almost entirely socializing with their friends via messaging apps, while very rarely making posts on social media. Instagram will fade from relevance for the youth, much like Facebook, and I don’t expect that any social media platform will replace it. Yes, TikTok is popular, but it’s more akin to YouTube that twitter/Facebook/Instagram. We’ll probably see some dramatic headlines about “the death of the social network” at some point over the next few years. Messaging will be the future of digital socializing. I think this is ultimately driven by young people coming to the realization that posting to social media is either completely unfulfilling, or actively detrimental to their mental well being. Platform owners thought they could ignore the issue, without considering that their target demographic may very well just reject social networking all together.
- bcrosby95 5y agoMy niece is in 5th grade, and she hangs out and communicates with her friends on Roblox. Not sure how common that is.
- rland 5y agoFacebook : boomers Instagram : millenials TikTok : gen z snapchat is sort of irrelevant from what I can gather.
- spideymans 5y agoSnapchat is very relevant for college kids
- mseepgood 5y agoWhat does Gen X use?
- piceas 5y agoBlackberry
- dagw 5y agoSnapchat is the primary social media and chat platform for my daughter and all her friends (ages 11-13).
- matt-attack 5y agoI've literally never logged in to any one of those. I have to say, I'm kind of proud of that. Occasionally people will send me a link to something and it's on Instagram. Clicking for me give me a Login modal. They make it too easy for me, click.
- jollybean 5y agoTry TikTok. It's completely unlike other social media and it's addictive without being negative, which kind of goes against our current instinctive thinking about social media. At the start, it's completely dumb videos that kids will find funny. But the algorithm is smart and will find content you like. My feed is now ultra cute cat and cat rescue stories, and really, really sharp non-professional comedians acting out vignettes, they are better than anything pro, and better than anything on TV, and, amateur musicians playing solos, odd instruments etc.. I enjoy TikTok more than Television or Netflix. It's very hard to describe to non-users because on paper it's very much like YouTube, but the format is so short, and the kinds of bits are so much more ephermal ... and for some reason most of the toxicity is not there. Also, you get to see first hand some 'live events' because people stream from everywhere, and it gives you neat perspective. For example, the 'Trucker Convey' in Ottawa Ontario. After watching the event live from various perspectives on TikTok, while simultaneously watching broadcast news cover the event, it became unsettlingly clear how aggressively misinformative broadcast news was of the event. (Even if I fully disagree with the protesters, they should be represented fairly) TikToks has radically changed my view of content moderation and demonstrated that it additivity does not have to be based on fear and anger. They censor aggressively, and get away with it partly because it's not really seen as a platform for 'information'. So you won't see a lot of controversial things there, and also I don't mind that technically 'Tiannamen Square' content will be absent. I mean, it's just TikTok (is what I tell myself). It's disturbingly addictive without being particularly political or controversial and for that reason alone it's worth having a look at for those who care to pay attention.
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- ByThyGrace 5y agoWhenever I see this "social network per age group" depiction, Twitter is never mentioned. I wonder why.
- threatofrain 5y agoWhere does Reddit fit in all of this?
- itisit 5y agoActually TikTok is now the leader with teens. [0] And I don't believe the CCP would allow a sale to a US-based company, least of all Facebook/Meta. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/tiktok-usage-topped-instagram-in-2021-among-kids-12-to-17-forrester-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/tiktok-usage-topped-instagra...
- Osiris 5y agoIsn't TikTok just videos though (I don't use it so I'm guessing)? It doesn't really seem useful for sharing the same kind of information that people use Facebook for (mostly text based information, questions, etc).
- pylon 5y agoFor now yes, but I would say it's really meant as replacement for Instagram rather than Facebook. So videos only seems fine compared to a service that was primarily for pictures. They can always expand, but I feel like these social media services usually have a hard time pivoting to a different medium after their initial success.
- spideymans 5y agoTikTok feels like YouTube. It has hundreds of millions of users, but only a small fraction will ever post anything. Unless the dynamics of TikTok radically change, I can’t see it being an Instagram replacement.
- umeshunni 5y agoYou'll be surprised. People post videos with walls of text or post a video of them narrating whatever they were planning to write.
- kumarvvr 5y agoI guess the business model of social media companies is coming to fore. FB has a captive audience, that is aging with facebook and will continue using it. It is clear why FB purchases IG / WA. They are paying money to capture audiences with money earned from FB. Going ahead, the cycle will repeat. Once the teens in IG grow into adults, FB will use money from that to buy / make another platform. In this context, the metaverse makes sense. It is a virtual world, where new SM platforms are churned, with all future populations being part of one or more platforms. FB wants to be the owner of all the platforms. From a business point of view, it makes more sense, in that, FB can now target ads across platforms, meaning, they target the same number of individuals, but with ads being channeled through different platforms, the ad density comes down, and the feeling of "the feed is all ads" might reduce.
- Gustomaximus 5y agoOr perhaps your daughter will start using it in here early 20's when life gets busier and people dont have the same interaction expectations? I dont know the answer but as a non-FB user I do see limitations when people organise events or group chats on messenger. If my wife wasn't connected to most of my friends I'd probably miss out on a bunch of relevant things. So for youth not on FB, I guess time will bring them back into the fold.
- mplanchard 5y ago33 years old here. Deleted my FB acct in 2012. I stay in contact with everyone I care to be in contact with still over text/Signal/Slack/email. I cannot say I have regretted not having a FB account once in the last ten years.
- clpm4j 5y agoI'm the same age and deleted my FB account around the same time. Got rid of Instagram a few years ago. I used to think I had a LOT of friends because they would 'like' all of my photos and I was in my 20s so I'd see lots of these social-media-friends out at parties. Once I dropped out of the night life and got rid of social media, I made a big effort to text a large portion of my friend group, but gradually I realized that I was the one putting in most of the effort and the social media interaction was shallow. Now I have a core group of friends in a group chat, and occasionally meet up with people IRL for coffee/lunch/whatever. Social media amplified my perception of social life in my 20s, but for the most part it wasn't nearly as important/real/deep as I once believed it was.
- agumonkey 5y agoPlease tell her how she feels when 23 and whatever websites she uses are replaced by some random new fac simile with a different css.
- distribot 5y agoYou think TikTok is facsimile of Facebook?
- agumonkey 5y agoI think they're all the same, streams of pics/videos.
- wfme 5y agoI mean... add text and you can describe most of the internet and digital information in general. I don't think it's a useful way to make a comparison at all.
- yuliyp 5y agoThe commonality between FB, IG, Tiktok, Snapchat, Twitter (and YouTube to some extent) is that they're primarily personalized algorithmically generated infinite feeds of stories. The particular algorithms and their objective functions differ from app to app but the underlying model is just the same. These sites generally do have other ways of consuming information, but the dominant mechanism is the algorithmically generated personalized feed. There are alternatives, such as sites like HN (single feed for everyone), Reddit (per-subreddit ranking which is global rather than algorithmically targeted), many news sites (organized by department vs infinite scroll, newsletters (here's today's set of stories for everyone), etc.
- erulabs 5y ago> primarily personalized algorithmically generated infinite feeds of stories Man I'd love this for actual stories. Turn the Facebook advertising AI on finding exactly the right passage of the right book at the right moment.
- vmception 5y agoI feel that way except I’m older than 16. In my circles the only time I have to use Facebook is when Gen Xers are organizing something that requires my participation there, and I delete the account afterwards. Or I wind up in small town America and the people there believe that Facebook marketplace + groups has better resources for sale and meetups. My experience with that was that generally accessible forums (even with being private and an “approval” process) all being full of scammers and time wasters. I found resources and niches in person. I checked the same groups 6 months later and nobody was getting anywhere with anything. YMMV of course, but the scammers are integrated everywhere. Small town America is a big place so there is a market for the illusion of utility!
- noduerme 5y agoIf she uses Instagram she's using Facebook. If she has a Facebook account and goes anywhere on the web while she is logged in, she's giving money to Facebook. It is not so simple now. She doesn't have to "use" Facebook for them to monetize her image, her privacy, her network of friends. A company like Meta will always have new products to take in kids. That's what their new "Reels" is about, trying to compete with TikTok. They know that their old product is not cool. This is why they changed their name to "Meta"! This is a battle you and your kids can't win unless your kids know how to identify when a nasty company is trying to steal their data. If your daughter thinks something else is cool, I bet that's another nasty company trying to steal her data instead of Facebook. Our society can't get out of this trap until your daughter says, "they all SUCK"
- smokey_circles 5y agoFacebook is an umbrella term for some kids. TikTok just hit #1 on the app store so this rant feels dated. The teens on Instagram have already grown up
- noduerme 5y agoYeah but that's what I mean. I'm in my 40s. I can vaguely guess the age differences between Instagram and TikTok kids. I'm sure some new great thing (like Facebook's "Reels") will be next, for the under-12 set. My point is IT'S GOING IN FUCKING CIRCLES and it's still run by the same few companies, and it's always the same. Oh it's NEW? for your 12 year old? NO: Teach your 12-year old that ALL these things are COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT. Not just Facebook. All of them.
- noduerme 5y agoI should also add... when I was young, music from the 50s was dated. When I was starting a company, startups from the 90s felt dated. Yet we are all recycling the same concepts and emotions and hooks and human longing, in a marketing sense, just using one generation's innocence after another, so they all feel like they're new and they're the first. You can't build on a platform like that. In a pissant way that's why facebook doesn't matter, but in a bigger way it's why you need to teach children to see patterns, not just objects of good and bad.
- MangoCoffee 5y agoif i'm not mistaking most teen and young adult use IG.
- josefrichter 5y agoHer generation uses TikTok. They did use IG ~2y ago, but then it went out of vogue. Same fate for SnapChat. It is very likely there will be something new next year end they will all move on from TikTok. Fascinating to observe how they have zero product loyalty. And I realized FB can have a problem, unless they want to spend billions on acquisitions every single year. It’s good for everyone that their monopoly is crumbling a bit.
- raxxorrax 5y agoI doubt many kids want to share a common platform with their parents. Since the older generation is more numerous this will probably be true.
- drexlspivey 5y agoI stopped using facebook in 2013 when I started getting invites from my aunts and my parent’s friends
- fleddr 5y agoWell, thankfully the culture to hate on the elders of your very own family for a lack of cool points is not universal.
- drexlspivey 5y agoIt’s not hating your family obviously, it’s the fact that all your stupid and embarrassing stuff you typically discuss/share with your friends when you are young is now visible to your extended family.
- fleddr 5y agoNothing wrong with old people. There's quite a few of them in our world, and only increasing. Also, old people have money, unlike teenagers. Also, old people stick around, unlike teens that switch networks every year or so. So...what is the appeal of teenagers again? Is it being "cool"? What can I buy for cool?
- isaiahg 5y agoYou're not wrong but what Facebook needs for its investors is growth. If your audience is only old people then the possibility for growth is much more limited. If you frame it like resources then a young audience is renewable. While an aging audience is more like oil, less exciting, and requiring more and more effort to aquire over time.