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We’ll it’s interesting in this case, because technically speaking a peace treaty was never signed and North Korea is in the state of war with the United States.
by pmalynin 5y ago
We’ll it’s interesting in this case, because technically speaking a peace treaty was never signed and North Korea is in the state of war with the United States. So is it really a crime to attack a hostile state?
- spaetzleesser 5y ago“So is it really a crime to attack a hostile state?” I don’t know if it’s illegal per se but it’s definitely a dangerous game. If there are any misunderstandings things like this could lead to retaliation and ultimately armed conflict.
- HarryHirsch 5y agoYes, like that accidental pipeline hack. That group that shut down a good chunk of the national oil supply didn't have a letter of marque, so they were dealt with.
- vkou 5y agoTechnically speaking, there hasn't been a peace treaty between Russia and Japan, either. That doesn't mean we've spent the past 77 years waiting with bated breath for yet another conflict over the Kuril islands to break out.
- riku_iki 5y agoThey didn't sign peace "treaty", but they signed declaration of ending war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Joint_Declaration_of_1956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Joint_...
- jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y agoWho knows. It seems like anything can be interpreted as a crime these days. Hopefully he's got good lawyers advising him.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoAgreed. This is immensely foolish on his part. And he can rest assured that his identity is known. One crime does not justify another.
- gowld 5y agoNK committed a sovereign act of war, not a crime. NK is not under common jurisdiction as the victim.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoIndividual citizens don’t get to define acts of war
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- moron4hire 5y agoI don't think the North Korean government would have standing in a US court.
- landemva 5y agoThough US government claims standing in UK court to take Assange.
- at-fates-hands 5y agoWe signed an extradition treaty in 2003 with the UK: The Parties agree to extradite to each other, pursuant to the provisions of this Treaty, persons sought by the authorities in the Requesting State for trial or punishment for extraditable offenses. https://irp.fas.org/world/uk/extradite.pdf https://irp.fas.org/world/uk/extradite.pdf As I understand it, this was an extension of the original 1972 treaty.
- capableweb 5y ago> North Korea is in the state of war with the United States I'm not sure where this comes from, but you're now the second person I see on HN to say this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29896969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29896969). Is this "common knowledge" in the US or something? Here is what I said the last time: >> The US and KP are technically still at war (the Korean war stopped with a cease fire, not a treaty) and the US and its allies levy sanctions on them that hurt. > Technically, I don't think the US and North Korea ever been at war. South Korea and North Korea are technically still at war though, as they signed the treaty with each other, not the US.
- mlyle 5y agoNone of the US wars since WWII have been formally declared wars. They're still wars. The conflict with North Korea ended with an armistice, not a formal treaty. The armistice intended for peace treaty discussions to start 3 months later... and they never really did. The US, UN Command, and North Korea are still operating under a temporary cease-fire that's now basically 70 years old. (I don't think South Korea even signed the armistice).
- wongarsu 5y agoIf you're technically not at war then you can't at the same time be technically still at war. Neither side declared war against the other or is currently acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war.
- tomphoolery 5y agoTell that to the North Koreans :P
- mrbald 5y agoLooks like every man and his dog is an expert on North Koreans. Did it occur to you that most citizen there are hostages of the own state and may be fighting hard to get a piece of bread on the table? I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind.
- pulse7 5y agoWars can end without peace treaty. Just see the history: there were many more wars than peace treaties...
- emodendroket 5y agoIt was not that long ago that whether to formally end the Korean War or not was the subject of spirited debate. Like, a few years ago. You guys telling me the War is actually over should have told them they didn't need to waste their time.
- rhino369 5y agoYou can't go by technicalities. But even if you go by technicalities, we never declared war in the first place it. It was a "police action." I'd imagine it is a crime to attack a state that we are in a cease fire with regardless.
- tagoregrtst 5y agoThere’s an active truce that keeps the belligerents from killing more people than died in WW2. Ya, if I were the State Department, if be pissed
- more_corn 5y agoIs this the first time a civilian has been able to perpetrate an attack on a country? I find the novelty of it amusing.
- narag 5y agoIs this the first time a civilian has been able to perpetrate an attack on a country? That's the definition of terrorism when it's not "domestic terrorism".
- regem 5y agoIt's happened before. It's where the term "filibuster" comes from. As an example, an American named William Walker briefly took control of Nicaragua. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_War
- beckman466 5y ago> technically speaking a peace treaty was never signed and North Korea is in the state of war with the United States. So is it really a crime to attack a hostile state? that seems to be standard US foreign policy. it's probably actually worse in reality; where the US even 'intervenes' even if it does have a peace treaty with them. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- i67vw3 5y agoDude will be awarded his countries highest civilian award for contribution to his motherland. /s
- blooalien 5y agoA free stay in PrisoneyLand Federal Resort? ;)
- raxxorrax 5y agoIn this case it seems to be just a retaliation as NK was the aggressor. The article is lazy though as there is zero information.
- logiccontroller 5y agoProbably if you are a civilian.