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The same way ads work in every other industry. Have you ever been to Times Square?

endisneigh 5y ago
You mean the same ad industry that was easily supplanted by internet ads? So you want a regression, why exactly? If you don’t want to be tracked stop using sites that track you and install ad block.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  Is it a regression? I'd argue an ad in Times Square (or a reputable print newspaper) is a major upgrade from the cesspool that is internet advertising. Seeing an ad there signals to me that the brand has enough money to clear the huge barrier to entry (thus is unlikely to be a fly-by-night scam) and doesn't mind being seen by everyone. This gives me more confidence as a consumer to purchase their product. > If you don’t want to be tracked stop using sites that track you Can you even tell that before being tracked? The GDPR attempts to make tracking opt-in so that you have a way to consider the downsides before agreeing. There's technically no problem with targeted ads and data collection as long as users are given a clear description of what data they're sharing and how it will be processed. > install ad block The same people behind all this illicit data collection would rather not have you do that.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    If it’s an upgrade then you should do it and stop trying to force things for others. I’m really not even sure what your point is. You just want others to do what you want?
    - Nextgrid 5y ago
      My point is that I want everyone to be provided a clear choice - that's what the GDPR attempts to do. The GDPR doesn't actually outlaw targeted ads, it just mandates that the user is given a clear breakdown of the data being collected and how it will be used and then they can choose whether they're willing to opt-in. By your reasoning, malware should also be legal and it's up to people to learn the ramifications of it and how to protect themselves. We should not force others to miss out on the "benefits" of malware wouldn't we?
      - endisneigh 5y ago
        Malware is already legal to begin with. And yes, people should learn to trust trusted entities. Those entities will not allow malware. Government intervention is unnecessary.
        Nextgrid 5y ago
        > Malware is already legal to begin with. Source? > people should learn to trust trusted entities When advertising corrupts the market there is no such thing as trusted entities. Find me a modern, 4K HDR TV that doesn't have advertising or advertising-related data collection in a big-box store without going for niche options such as professional digital-signage displays. > Government intervention is unnecessary. Companies who had their computers ransomwared would disagree, and so will consumers who had their payment details compromised or sensitive pictures disclosed. I wonder, in your mind, where do you draw the line? Violence? You could argue violence also doesn't need to be outlawed and it's up to everyone to build their houses like bunkers, always wear armor, drive a tank and carry guns to defend themselves.
        foxfluff 5y ago
        I don't know where you're from but malware is definitely illegal in my country.
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  > So you want a regression, why exactly? Yes, if you get market advantages from harming people, you will eventually be required to at a minimum give it up again.
- parkingrift 5y ago
  Regression for... who? The ad industry? Woe is me. They'll be fine just as they were fine for literally the inception of commerce until about 20 years ago.

You mean the same ad industry that was easily supplanted by internet ads? So you want a regression, why exactly? If you don’t want to be tracked stop using sites that track you and install ad block.

Nextgrid 5y ago
Is it a regression? I'd argue an ad in Times Square (or a reputable print newspaper) is a major upgrade from the cesspool that is internet advertising. Seeing an ad there signals to me that the brand has enough money to clear the huge barrier to entry (thus is unlikely to be a fly-by-night scam) and doesn't mind being seen by everyone. This gives me more confidence as a consumer to purchase their product. > If you don’t want to be tracked stop using sites that track you Can you even tell that before being tracked? The GDPR attempts to make tracking opt-in so that you have a way to consider the downsides before agreeing. There's technically no problem with targeted ads and data collection as long as users are given a clear description of what data they're sharing and how it will be processed. > install ad block The same people behind all this illicit data collection would rather not have you do that.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  If it’s an upgrade then you should do it and stop trying to force things for others. I’m really not even sure what your point is. You just want others to do what you want?
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    My point is that I want everyone to be provided a clear choice - that's what the GDPR attempts to do. The GDPR doesn't actually outlaw targeted ads, it just mandates that the user is given a clear breakdown of the data being collected and how it will be used and then they can choose whether they're willing to opt-in. By your reasoning, malware should also be legal and it's up to people to learn the ramifications of it and how to protect themselves. We should not force others to miss out on the "benefits" of malware wouldn't we?
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      Malware is already legal to begin with. And yes, people should learn to trust trusted entities. Those entities will not allow malware. Government intervention is unnecessary.
      - Nextgrid 5y ago
        > Malware is already legal to begin with. Source? > people should learn to trust trusted entities When advertising corrupts the market there is no such thing as trusted entities. Find me a modern, 4K HDR TV that doesn't have advertising or advertising-related data collection in a big-box store without going for niche options such as professional digital-signage displays. > Government intervention is unnecessary. Companies who had their computers ransomwared would disagree, and so will consumers who had their payment details compromised or sensitive pictures disclosed. I wonder, in your mind, where do you draw the line? Violence? You could argue violence also doesn't need to be outlawed and it's up to everyone to build their houses like bunkers, always wear armor, drive a tank and carry guns to defend themselves.
      - foxfluff 5y ago
        I don't know where you're from but malware is definitely illegal in my country.
marcosdumay 5y ago
> So you want a regression, why exactly? Yes, if you get market advantages from harming people, you will eventually be required to at a minimum give it up again.
parkingrift 5y ago
Regression for... who? The ad industry? Woe is me. They'll be fine just as they were fine for literally the inception of commerce until about 20 years ago.