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I disagree profoundly. You say that it wasn't a war because Israel didn't lose too many people? Perhaps the aggressor should have thought about that before star

I disagree profoundly. You say that it wasn't a war because Israel didn't lose too many people? Perhaps the aggressor should have thought about that before starting a war. Israel put a lot of effort in defending itself, so your premise isn't even correct. It is a perverse rationalization that doesn't even warrant a serious response. Frame it as colonial as you wish, the fact is a systematic prosecution of Jews in almost all surrounding countries. That was never caught up upon. Maybe start now. It would have been better to start yesterday, but it is never too late.

littlestymaar 5y ago
> I disagree profoundly. You say that it wasn't a war because Israel didn't lose too many people? Perhaps the aggressor should have thought about that before starting a war. Its not a war, there is no state involved, just a terror group in Gaza, conveniently left in charge there, while curiously Tsahal is perfectly capable of shutting down any uprising in the territory they want to annex (the West bank), intriguing isn't it? Gaza isn't any harder to occupy than the West bank, but having Hamas as an enemy is just too convenient. (So convenient it would be too bad if Hamas collapsed [1]). > Frame it as colonial as you wish, the fact is a systematic prosecution of Jews in almost all surrounding countries. There's two different things: - The currently Israeli government is currently pushing a colonization project in the west bank (and it's not even hidden). - Jews living in the Arab world for centuries have been persecuted by Arabs in (in “retaliation to Israel's activity” as if those people had anything to do with any of it…). Sadly enough since those Mizrahi Jews fled to Israel, they have been discriminated against and are still somewhat treated as second-class citizens[2]. [1]: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-netanyahu-israel-mossad-chief-doha-qatar-continue-hamas-gaza-money-transfer-1.8564993 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-netanyahu-... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Sephardim_and_Mizrahim_(Middle_Eastern_and_North_African_Jews) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Sephardim_and...
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I agree that settling in the west bank is illegal, but hearing excuses for the prosecution doesn't lead to any fruitful discussion. If you think it justified, why should the settlers see it differently? If you are incapable of self-reflection there is no road to any peace. And of course there were states involved...
  - littlestymaar 5y ago
    There were states involved. But there has not been for more than 30 years now! Yet the current Israeli government wants his population to believe that they are still at war, still threatened but an outnumbering army of Arab people on the verge of slaughtering them all. It was the case for a good 40 years after the creation of Israel, but now it isn't. But the military-industrial complex and the far-right extremists won too much from the situation to let it go. No wonder Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated… The war is no more, but they want the citizens to feel as if it was still ongoing, as it is a great way to keep people under control, and to push their supremacist agenda. And leaving Hamas doing a bit of terror from time to time is a really efficient way to do so.
- ocschwar 5y ago
  When you mention the murderous violence that drove Mizrahi Jews into Israel in the same paragraph where you mention the snobbery they faced in Israel, you're not doing much for your credibility.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Can you explain why? Especially if you are to take their comment in good faith? They lamented on the abuse they faced in the Arab world. The overall discussion is about Palestine, with side discussions on the Arab world, Israel against them, et al.

littlestymaar 5y ago

> I disagree profoundly. You say that it wasn't a war because Israel didn't lose too many people? Perhaps the aggressor should have thought about that before starting a war. Its not a war, there is no state involved, just a terror group in Gaza, conveniently left in charge there, while curiously Tsahal is perfectly capable of shutting down any uprising in the territory they want to annex (the West bank), intriguing isn't it? Gaza isn't any harder to occupy than the West bank, but having Hamas as an enemy is just too convenient. (So convenient it would be too bad if Hamas collapsed [1]). > Frame it as colonial as you wish, the fact is a systematic prosecution of Jews in almost all surrounding countries. There's two different things: - The currently Israeli government is currently pushing a colonization project in the west bank (and it's not even hidden). - Jews living in the Arab world for centuries have been persecuted by Arabs in (in “retaliation to Israel's activity” as if those people had anything to do with any of it…). Sadly enough since those Mizrahi Jews fled to Israel, they have been discriminated against and are still somewhat treated as second-class citizens[2]. [1]: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-netanyahu-israel-mossad-chief-doha-qatar-continue-hamas-gaza-money-transfer-1.8564993 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-netanyahu-... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Sephardim_and_Mizrahim_(Middle_Eastern_and_North_African_Jews) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Sephardim_and...

raxxorrax 5y ago
I agree that settling in the west bank is illegal, but hearing excuses for the prosecution doesn't lead to any fruitful discussion. If you think it justified, why should the settlers see it differently? If you are incapable of self-reflection there is no road to any peace. And of course there were states involved...
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  There were states involved. But there has not been for more than 30 years now! Yet the current Israeli government wants his population to believe that they are still at war, still threatened but an outnumbering army of Arab people on the verge of slaughtering them all. It was the case for a good 40 years after the creation of Israel, but now it isn't. But the military-industrial complex and the far-right extremists won too much from the situation to let it go. No wonder Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated… The war is no more, but they want the citizens to feel as if it was still ongoing, as it is a great way to keep people under control, and to push their supremacist agenda. And leaving Hamas doing a bit of terror from time to time is a really efficient way to do so.
ocschwar 5y ago
When you mention the murderous violence that drove Mizrahi Jews into Israel in the same paragraph where you mention the snobbery they faced in Israel, you're not doing much for your credibility.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Can you explain why? Especially if you are to take their comment in good faith? They lamented on the abuse they faced in the Arab world. The overall discussion is about Palestine, with side discussions on the Arab world, Israel against them, et al.