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I'm aware of what's widely accepted as the truth regarding this issue. What I don't understand is on which logical basis it's widely accepted. How can a black

I'm aware of what's widely accepted as the truth regarding this issue. What I don't understand is on which logical basis it's widely accepted. How can a black Ethiopian and a white Polish be considered part of the same race? It does not compute.

raxxorrax 5y ago
They are not considered to be the same race and yet both can be Jews. I was just thinking about the Sith in Star Wars, but maybe that comparison hurts feelings again....
- throwawaynay 5y ago
  > They are not considered to be the same race and yet both can be Jews. then it's not a race, it's a really obvious paradox
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    It isn't a paradox, it can be both a religion and a race. For those that consider themselves Jews the religious component is obviously more important. I am ethnically a Jew and yet I am a Christian (not religious, more a tradition and paper thing). I don't consider myself a Jew but some would. For racists that prosecuted Jews the ethnic component was far more important. Judaism also has an ethnic component as those that are descendants of Abraham are considered Jews. And yet, those that adopted Judaism are too.
    - throwawaynay 5y ago
      - raxxorrax 5y ago
        You really want to misunderstand, do you? I am not considering myself a Jew. But others would, most importantly those with prejudice against Jews.
      - quantified 5y ago
        Come on. Christian is not ethnicity. It’s entirely self-identity. If Jesus existed, his followers were Sephardic Jewish Christians too.
      - dang 5y ago
        Please stop posting unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait to HN. You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately, and we ban that sort of account. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. A post like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30135338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30135338 is particularly bad and will get you banned here if you do it again, so please don't do it again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
everforward 5y ago
Despite using the same terms, they're distinct. You can be ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish and vice versa. It would probably be more clear if there were separate terms for "I practice Judaism" and "I am descended from the Jewish ethnic group".

raxxorrax 5y ago

They are not considered to be the same race and yet both can be Jews. I was just thinking about the Sith in Star Wars, but maybe that comparison hurts feelings again....

throwawaynay 5y ago
> They are not considered to be the same race and yet both can be Jews. then it's not a race, it's a really obvious paradox
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  It isn't a paradox, it can be both a religion and a race. For those that consider themselves Jews the religious component is obviously more important. I am ethnically a Jew and yet I am a Christian (not religious, more a tradition and paper thing). I don't consider myself a Jew but some would. For racists that prosecuted Jews the ethnic component was far more important. Judaism also has an ethnic component as those that are descendants of Abraham are considered Jews. And yet, those that adopted Judaism are too.
  - throwawaynay 5y ago
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      You really want to misunderstand, do you? I am not considering myself a Jew. But others would, most importantly those with prejudice against Jews.
    - quantified 5y ago
      Come on. Christian is not ethnicity. It’s entirely self-identity. If Jesus existed, his followers were Sephardic Jewish Christians too.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please stop posting unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait to HN. You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately, and we ban that sort of account. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. A post like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30135338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30135338 is particularly bad and will get you banned here if you do it again, so please don't do it again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

everforward 5y ago

Despite using the same terms, they're distinct. You can be ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish and vice versa. It would probably be more clear if there were separate terms for "I practice Judaism" and "I am descended from the Jewish ethnic group".