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Similar situation here in the USA. The cops are sitting on their laruels and sipping coffee in parking lots because they feel betrayed by "black lives matter" m

Similar situation here in the USA. The cops are sitting on their laruels and sipping coffee in parking lots because they feel betrayed by "black lives matter" movement. I know it's anecdotal but I have certainly seen it here in Austin, TX where crime is up like 30% year-over-year. 911 won't even send a cop out for less than a homicide any longer, they just tell you to file a police report online. It's all very deliberate and the city government isn't doing anything about it.

dntrkv 5y ago
> where crime is up like 30% year-over-year > won't even send a cop out for less than a homicide any longer You might have cause-and-effect backwards here. Talk to an actual cop and you'll quickly learn how wrong your theory is.
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Guest42 5y ago
Agreed, at one point there were teenagers playing baseball in a half full parking lot. I told them to stop and they told me to f off and call the cops if I felt like it. So I did call the cops, and sure enough the support person got on my case and told me it wasn't an emergency in a really harsh manner.
- pie_flavor 5y ago
  I have to ask, did you call the emergency line or the non-emergency line? Because if you called 911, I can completely understand them getting on your case about it not being an emergency, because it wasn't.
  - Guest42 5y ago
    It was the emergency line. However, to me it was an emergency as they had 2 baseball bats and were in a group that I deemed as threatening. I began filming them at which point they became more aggressive. This was to have evidence in case they were damaging cars (including my own which was 3 feet away).
    - pie_flavor 5y ago
      You said the reason for your call was that they were playing baseball, not that they were threatening anyone. There isn't anything about that that strikes me as an emergency and the 911 operator was correct in telling you off IMO. Police have a non-emergency line for a reason.
      - zwirbl 5y ago
        That's just stupid, the operator could just as well connect you to the people taking car of non-emergency situations. They are still the police and one would expect them to at least try to help
        Guest42 5y ago
        Thank you. In my experience, policing extends into a number of mundane areas of life, few of which are life threatening emergencies. People can get police called for vomiting in the road, illegally selling sandwiches, or having a radio on too loud. I think that part of their job is resolving violent or potentially violent conflict. It’s true that perhaps my situation as described to the dispatcher might not have met a certain threshold, however, it would’ve made sense for them to ask more questions and give guidance as in general people have a bit of adrenaline when calling and might not be in the best shape to give a clear description. Immediately dismissing such scenarios could lead to some harmful results.
      - selcuka 5y ago
        > You said the reason for your call was that they were playing baseball That's an interesting interpretation. They also said that "they were damaging cars" and "they became aggressive".
        joshuamorton 5y ago
        > They also said that "they were damaging cars You should reread the comment, this wasn't actually said.
- onphonenow 5y ago
  At least where I am cops really can't come out for this type of thing - especially if some of the kids are minorities. There are just too many cases where a quality of life type call like this (you haven't yet been actually beaten) or a white person feeling "threatened" turns into a major issue -> police respond, end up needing to use force, the thing escalates.
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dolni 5y ago
I don't think you'd be very excited to do your job either in the environment they're in. The BLM movement has been given far too much latitude to kick up dust over police encounters that aren't worth getting bent out of shape about. Perhaps you could try to be a police officer and help out.
- MattRix 5y ago
  BLM has every right to “kick up dust” about police brutality. On the other hand, the police have a job they get paid way too much to do (just look at police budgets around the country!) so the least they could do is actually do it instead of acting like petulant children.
  - pl0x 5y ago
    Yes BLM has this right, the police in America are racist.
- tqi 5y ago
  If they won't do their jobs then they should be fired.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    > If they won't do their jobs then they should be fired. No need: they are just quitting and getting other/better jobs. Civil servants (teachers and police, among others) aren't slaves after all, they have plenty of options.
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  - option_greek 5y ago
    And hire who? Its not like the job is very appealing in current environment. The risk of either dying on job or getting imprisoned due to domestic disturbance calls gone wrong is very high. Not to mention, a lot of cops not showing up situation seem to be in line with the demands of general public who instead want to mental health workers to show up for handling a variety of scenarios.
trhway 5y ago
>911 won't even send a cop out for less than a homicide any longer, they just tell you to file a police report online. It's all very deliberate what you describe is basically a blackmail by the cops. Blackmailing the public that way kind of suggests that it isn't just few bad apples - it is the whole police system which is morally corrupt.
- onphonenow 5y ago
  Or the police are responding to your claims that policing is racist. Where I am for example traffic stops for bad registration / stolen cars etc was found to disproportionately effect some groups. The cops were deemed racist. I'm not saying they weren't, but especially for quality of life type calls where a cop used to come out, no way is that worth responding too. And if you paid attention to what BLM etc have been demanding, it's to reduce disparate impact on certain groups of police calls (FAR more calls for black males for example then middle aged asian females)
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hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
I think the scary/unfortunate thing is that the lack of enforcement is causing some really perverse incentives. You hear stories of hit-and-runs caught on dashcams, with full view of license plates and a good view of the driver, and police still won't really do anything if there isn't a major injury. Makes it seem like the best thing to do is actually to run if the consequences are worse for sticking around.

dntrkv 5y ago

> where crime is up like 30% year-over-year > won't even send a cop out for less than a homicide any longer You might have cause-and-effect backwards here. Talk to an actual cop and you'll quickly learn how wrong your theory is.

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Guest42 5y ago

Agreed, at one point there were teenagers playing baseball in a half full parking lot. I told them to stop and they told me to f off and call the cops if I felt like it. So I did call the cops, and sure enough the support person got on my case and told me it wasn't an emergency in a really harsh manner.

pie_flavor 5y ago
I have to ask, did you call the emergency line or the non-emergency line? Because if you called 911, I can completely understand them getting on your case about it not being an emergency, because it wasn't.
- Guest42 5y ago
  It was the emergency line. However, to me it was an emergency as they had 2 baseball bats and were in a group that I deemed as threatening. I began filming them at which point they became more aggressive. This was to have evidence in case they were damaging cars (including my own which was 3 feet away).
  - pie_flavor 5y ago
    You said the reason for your call was that they were playing baseball, not that they were threatening anyone. There isn't anything about that that strikes me as an emergency and the 911 operator was correct in telling you off IMO. Police have a non-emergency line for a reason.
    - zwirbl 5y ago
      That's just stupid, the operator could just as well connect you to the people taking car of non-emergency situations. They are still the police and one would expect them to at least try to help
      - Guest42 5y ago
        Thank you. In my experience, policing extends into a number of mundane areas of life, few of which are life threatening emergencies. People can get police called for vomiting in the road, illegally selling sandwiches, or having a radio on too loud. I think that part of their job is resolving violent or potentially violent conflict. It’s true that perhaps my situation as described to the dispatcher might not have met a certain threshold, however, it would’ve made sense for them to ask more questions and give guidance as in general people have a bit of adrenaline when calling and might not be in the best shape to give a clear description. Immediately dismissing such scenarios could lead to some harmful results.
    - selcuka 5y ago
      > You said the reason for your call was that they were playing baseball That's an interesting interpretation. They also said that "they were damaging cars" and "they became aggressive".
      - joshuamorton 5y ago
        > They also said that "they were damaging cars You should reread the comment, this wasn't actually said.
onphonenow 5y ago
At least where I am cops really can't come out for this type of thing - especially if some of the kids are minorities. There are just too many cases where a quality of life type call like this (you haven't yet been actually beaten) or a white person feeling "threatened" turns into a major issue -> police respond, end up needing to use force, the thing escalates.
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dolni 5y ago

I don't think you'd be very excited to do your job either in the environment they're in. The BLM movement has been given far too much latitude to kick up dust over police encounters that aren't worth getting bent out of shape about. Perhaps you could try to be a police officer and help out.

MattRix 5y ago
BLM has every right to “kick up dust” about police brutality. On the other hand, the police have a job they get paid way too much to do (just look at police budgets around the country!) so the least they could do is actually do it instead of acting like petulant children.
- pl0x 5y ago
  Yes BLM has this right, the police in America are racist.
tqi 5y ago
If they won't do their jobs then they should be fired.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  > If they won't do their jobs then they should be fired. No need: they are just quitting and getting other/better jobs. Civil servants (teachers and police, among others) aren't slaves after all, they have plenty of options.
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- option_greek 5y ago
  And hire who? Its not like the job is very appealing in current environment. The risk of either dying on job or getting imprisoned due to domestic disturbance calls gone wrong is very high. Not to mention, a lot of cops not showing up situation seem to be in line with the demands of general public who instead want to mental health workers to show up for handling a variety of scenarios.

trhway 5y ago

>911 won't even send a cop out for less than a homicide any longer, they just tell you to file a police report online. It's all very deliberate what you describe is basically a blackmail by the cops. Blackmailing the public that way kind of suggests that it isn't just few bad apples - it is the whole police system which is morally corrupt.

onphonenow 5y ago
Or the police are responding to your claims that policing is racist. Where I am for example traffic stops for bad registration / stolen cars etc was found to disproportionately effect some groups. The cops were deemed racist. I'm not saying they weren't, but especially for quality of life type calls where a cop used to come out, no way is that worth responding too. And if you paid attention to what BLM etc have been demanding, it's to reduce disparate impact on certain groups of police calls (FAR more calls for black males for example then middle aged asian females)

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hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

I think the scary/unfortunate thing is that the lack of enforcement is causing some really perverse incentives. You hear stories of hit-and-runs caught on dashcams, with full view of license plates and a good view of the driver, and police still won't really do anything if there isn't a major injury. Makes it seem like the best thing to do is actually to run if the consequences are worse for sticking around.