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It's not necessary for regular charging poles, but you do need some way to identify yourself. Using an app is a bit more environmentally friendly than mailing o
by davedx 5y ago
It's not necessary for regular charging poles, but you do need some way to identify yourself. Using an app is a bit more environmentally friendly than mailing out loads of plastic cards. Personally I don't know why chargepoles don't just support chip and pin, at least in Europe - almost all parking places here do now.
- kzrdude 5y agoWhy identify yourself? Isn't it enough to use a payment system?
- barelysapient 5y agoProbably because Tesla isn't into retail point of sale and would rather reuse existing app based infrastructure.
- natch 5y agoAlso important to note Tesla drivers don’t need to use the app for charging. Although it does have helpful features if they do, like being able to check on the charge remotely. The described experience of selecting a charger, pressing start charging / stop charging etc. is only for non-Teslas because they don’t have the integration.
- vel0city 5y ago> is only for non-Teslas because they don’t have the integration. Several non-Tesla models support a standardized protocol to negotiate billing information in the charging handshake. Its a matter of once again Tesla using a proprietary system instead of adopting industry standards.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago> Its a matter of once again Tesla using a proprietary system instead of adopting industry standards. Ah, you mean there is already an industry standard around this? That's great, but could you tell us what it is (surely the standard that Tesla isn't following has a name or something)?
- vel0city 5y agoThe standard is the easy to remember ISO 15118. Not all EVs support it yet, and for sure many charging stations don't implement it, but there is an international signaling standard to communicate this data which theoretically everyone can implement and participate in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoThanks. It looks like 4 or 5 vehicles support it starting in 2021. Hopefully Tesla will join them someday.
- hadrien01 5y agoIonity chargers (a majority of fast chargers in Europe) are made by a consortium of European car manufacturers, and they strongly nudge you to use their subscriptions (either sold directly or trough the manufacturers). If you try to pay directly, the experience is miserable, most certainly on purpose.
- InTheArena 5y agoNon-tesla chargers in the US are also awful - different payment models, broken chargers, etc.
- kzrdude 5y agoThat's embarrassing. Another benefit to fossil fuels then. If they don't up their game lawmakers might even catch notice and step in?
- davedx 5y agoHow would that work? Tesla would need to install card readers at every supercharger stall?
- iqanq 5y agoIs this ironic? Even mcdonalds self-serve kiosks have a card reader each.
- fonix 5y agoThat's fine that MCD does that but Tesla already has 30k+ stations around the USA with no reader. A retrofit to include that wouldn't be cheap OR fast and it would introduce another point of failure.
- Handytinge 5y agoYou know McDonalds had tens of thousands of locations before they had self service kiosks, right? They had to "retrofit" them in too.
- ajford 5y agoYou mean like every pay-at-the-pump gas stall has for something like a decade? I hate this app payment system for chargers. I spent something like 30 minutes once trying to get the ChargePoint app to play nice with my phone (didn't want to install on my Motorola phone) then once I finally got it loaded it took another 15 minutes to get my card added and turn on the charger. Then it finally told me the charger wasn't working after it tried to activate the charge cycle. I eventually gave up and found a hotel 10 minutes away that happened to have a free charge stall. Took the front desk a box of fresh donuts and asked them if I could spend 30 minutes in their lobby so I could get enough charge to make it home in my Nissan Leaf. Luckily they were nice enough to let me use it and I eventually made it home.
- kzrdude 5y agoThey could go with NFC only (swipe card or phone), that's at least one app-less and standardized payment system.
- spicybright 5y agoSelf serve gas pumps solved this >60 years ago. No advantage (except for Tesla's) to collect more data.