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Miele (and BSH) is really good at industrial design in my experience so I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that. However, I also don't really see a pa

Miele (and BSH) is really good at industrial design in my experience so I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that. However, I also don't really see a particular reason why a dishwasher needs WiFi. Do people actually like... check on them and come running to unload it when it's done? I suppose for checking if it needs dishwasher salt or rinse aid it could make sense but ... eh

amelius 5y ago
Miele's user interface isn't that great. I owned a Miele laundry machine. After you press "start" there is no way you can undo that. This sucks. Even missiles have an "unlaunch" feature.
- hda111 5y ago
  With the current WiFi connected Miele laundry machines you can use the app to pause and add more laundry.
  - adhesive_wombat 5y ago
    With my washing machine, I press the button. It'll say "no", drain down the drum so the water doesn't fall out when the door opens, then say "yes" and the door unlocks. Apps used: 0. Would be useful if the machine could select and load the washing itself from the basket, I'd use that app.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    but why? I mean if I'm doing laundry I'm within 50 ft of the machine generally? I have never needed to do such an operation or can think of a situation where the added complexity merits the addition of wifi and security threats of a Russian hacker trying to mine etherium on my dish washer.
    - formerly_proven 5y ago
      I can't claim to know every Miele there is but both an early 80s and an early 2010s Miele has pause/continue buttons. On the 2010 one it even looks like a play-pause button.
- thirdsun 5y ago
  Are you sure? I can hold stop to stop the current program on my Miele washing machine. The key is to hold, not merely tap stop.
AdrianB1 5y ago
My first reaction was to write a comment about why you don't need WiFi on a dishwasher. Then I found there may be use cases: you want to start the washing program from the office so it finishes right before you get home. That day when you need to stay another hour in the office, being able to interact with the machine is a nice to have, even if not a really important thing. Same as with air conditioning when you want to save electricity.
- epicide 5y ago
  If you already have the dishwasher loaded with the dishes before you leave for work, why not just run it then?
  - datavirtue 5y ago
    But that's not appy.
  - Karunamon 5y ago
    Off-peak electricity pricing, not wanting to wake/disturb others with noise, not wanting to consume too much hot water before the rest of the house showers or uses the clothes washer...
    - aldebran 5y ago
      My 15yr old dishwasher does this with a timer functionality. This doesn’t sound like the strongest use case.
      - stjohnswarts 5y ago
        Yep, it's just a dial that lets me delay up to 12 hours lol. Overengineered hackable electronics. I'd rather than cost go into a more sturdy unit made of better materials. My dishwasher is 20 years old and works fine. The owner of the house before me said he did have one of the timer replaced at some point.
  - PebblesRox 5y ago
dylan604 5y ago
>I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that I don't think that post was necessarily directed at Miele, but at designers designing for design sake in general. > come running to unload it when it's done? You don't? You must be one of those people that never unloads the dishwasher until you need something that's in it? weirdo! /s
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  > You don't? You must be one of those people that never unloads the dishwasher until you need something that's in it? weirdo! /s Load in the evening, unload in the morning.
hda111 5y ago
I would find it useful to check whether the dishwasher is currently running. At least BSH has models without any indication outside where the dishwasher is fully hidden behind a frame.
- brokenmachine 5y ago
  How do you set the wifi password if there's no screen that is capable of showing information? If it has a screen then surely it's possible to show its current status. Or, and bear with me because this is a really crazy idea... how about a single LED to show it's busy?
  - pmontra 5y ago
    There is no need of a screen. Either a WPS button or start in access point mode, find its IP address, connect to a web server on that address and set the SSID and password there. I got stuff doing both ways upon the first start up or after a factory reset.

amelius 5y ago

Miele's user interface isn't that great. I owned a Miele laundry machine. After you press "start" there is no way you can undo that. This sucks. Even missiles have an "unlaunch" feature.

hda111 5y ago
With the current WiFi connected Miele laundry machines you can use the app to pause and add more laundry.
- adhesive_wombat 5y ago
  With my washing machine, I press the button. It'll say "no", drain down the drum so the water doesn't fall out when the door opens, then say "yes" and the door unlocks. Apps used: 0. Would be useful if the machine could select and load the washing itself from the basket, I'd use that app.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  but why? I mean if I'm doing laundry I'm within 50 ft of the machine generally? I have never needed to do such an operation or can think of a situation where the added complexity merits the addition of wifi and security threats of a Russian hacker trying to mine etherium on my dish washer.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    I can't claim to know every Miele there is but both an early 80s and an early 2010s Miele has pause/continue buttons. On the 2010 one it even looks like a play-pause button.
thirdsun 5y ago
Are you sure? I can hold stop to stop the current program on my Miele washing machine. The key is to hold, not merely tap stop.

AdrianB1 5y ago

My first reaction was to write a comment about why you don't need WiFi on a dishwasher. Then I found there may be use cases: you want to start the washing program from the office so it finishes right before you get home. That day when you need to stay another hour in the office, being able to interact with the machine is a nice to have, even if not a really important thing. Same as with air conditioning when you want to save electricity.

epicide 5y ago
If you already have the dishwasher loaded with the dishes before you leave for work, why not just run it then?
- datavirtue 5y ago
  But that's not appy.
- Karunamon 5y ago
  Off-peak electricity pricing, not wanting to wake/disturb others with noise, not wanting to consume too much hot water before the rest of the house showers or uses the clothes washer...
  - aldebran 5y ago
    My 15yr old dishwasher does this with a timer functionality. This doesn’t sound like the strongest use case.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      Yep, it's just a dial that lets me delay up to 12 hours lol. Overengineered hackable electronics. I'd rather than cost go into a more sturdy unit made of better materials. My dishwasher is 20 years old and works fine. The owner of the house before me said he did have one of the timer replaced at some point.
- PebblesRox 5y ago

dylan604 5y ago

>I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that I don't think that post was necessarily directed at Miele, but at designers designing for design sake in general. > come running to unload it when it's done? You don't? You must be one of those people that never unloads the dishwasher until you need something that's in it? weirdo! /s

formerly_proven 5y ago
> You don't? You must be one of those people that never unloads the dishwasher until you need something that's in it? weirdo! /s Load in the evening, unload in the morning.

hda111 5y ago

I would find it useful to check whether the dishwasher is currently running. At least BSH has models without any indication outside where the dishwasher is fully hidden behind a frame.

brokenmachine 5y ago
How do you set the wifi password if there's no screen that is capable of showing information? If it has a screen then surely it's possible to show its current status. Or, and bear with me because this is a really crazy idea... how about a single LED to show it's busy?
- pmontra 5y ago
  There is no need of a screen. Either a WPS button or start in access point mode, find its IP address, connect to a web server on that address and set the SSID and password there. I got stuff doing both ways upon the first start up or after a factory reset.