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To be fair, it could also get functionality updates. For example they could upload a new totally different UX loved by the designers and that nobody else unders
by pmontra 5y ago
To be fair, it could also get functionality updates. For example they could upload a new totally different UX loved by the designers and that nobody else understands how to use ;-)
- erwincoumans 5y agoAnother Tesla Model 3 owner with firmware v11? :)
- LightG 5y ago
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- _fat_santa 5y agoGotta take inspiration from the best in UX /s
- cogman10 5y agoAll input is error (so we make it impossible to give correct input).
- formerly_proven 5y agoMiele (and BSH) is really good at industrial design in my experience so I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that. However, I also don't really see a particular reason why a dishwasher needs WiFi. Do people actually like... check on them and come running to unload it when it's done? I suppose for checking if it needs dishwasher salt or rinse aid it could make sense but ... eh
- amelius 5y agoMiele's user interface isn't that great. I owned a Miele laundry machine. After you press "start" there is no way you can undo that. This sucks. Even missiles have an "unlaunch" feature.
- hda111 5y agoWith the current WiFi connected Miele laundry machines you can use the app to pause and add more laundry.
- adhesive_wombat 5y agoWith my washing machine, I press the button. It'll say "no", drain down the drum so the water doesn't fall out when the door opens, then say "yes" and the door unlocks. Apps used: 0. Would be useful if the machine could select and load the washing itself from the basket, I'd use that app.
- stjohnswarts 5y agobut why? I mean if I'm doing laundry I'm within 50 ft of the machine generally? I have never needed to do such an operation or can think of a situation where the added complexity merits the addition of wifi and security threats of a Russian hacker trying to mine etherium on my dish washer.
- formerly_proven 5y agoI can't claim to know every Miele there is but both an early 80s and an early 2010s Miele has pause/continue buttons. On the 2010 one it even looks like a play-pause button.
- thirdsun 5y agoAre you sure? I can hold stop to stop the current program on my Miele washing machine. The key is to hold, not merely tap stop.
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- brk 5y agoTesla is making dishwashers now?
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago“Full Self-Washing” is coming soon, just you wait! And check out the new Ridiculous wash cycle! The jokes practically write themselves.
- prewett 5y agoIs the Ridiculous Wash where you put in regular dish soap instead of dishwasher soap and the suds go all over the floor?
- stjohnswarts 5y ago"Soon you will be able to turn on your water valve and enjoy clean dishes, almost as much joy as being a part of the Tesla Family. Keep your eyes out for a dry cycle for only an additional $8000"
- jancsika 5y ago> To be fair, it could also get functionality updates This is an important point that owners[1] sometimes miss. For example, if the owner makes a deal to partner with the maker of a particular detergent tab, the owner could create a new feature that only works with those tabs and not regular powder detergent. 1: Owner: the person who owns the firmware being sent over WiFi.
- jacquesm 5y agoOr, maybe the detergents don't matter all that much and should be generic enough that you can use them in any dishwasher.
- entropicdrifter 5y agoPretty sure the person you were responding to was pointing out more ways that wifi is an anti-feature for a dishwasher
- amelius 5y agoThis is why you should never allow a printer to directly connect to the internet.
- 8ytecoder 5y agoNever is a strong word. If corporations can take advantage of you, so you can you of them. I’m yet to pay a single dollar for ink. The free 10 pages a month plan with HP allows me to use it to print the occasional recipes and labels in full color for free. I knew I’m not going to print too much stuff and I can swap it out for my own ink if my need changes. I keep the printer plugged out except when I need to print and it works out well for me so far. (This was why HP was trying to phase out the plan).
- anticensor 5y agoThat might soon be mandatory as an anti-banknote-photocopy measure.
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- adolph 5y ago> functionality updates The only UI a dishwasher needs is "wash" and "dishes in here are still clean don't put in dirty dishes yet." I've yet to see a dishwasher do the latter with the necessary nuance.
- tfigment 5y agoMy dishwasher has a manual lever for locking during wash. I guess I know if its locked and not running and filled they are clean and can be put away.
- akhosravian 5y agoMy kitchen aid has a white light that comes on when it finishes running, and automatically shuts itself off when it is closed. As long as you unload it instead of fishing a single item out this works pretty well for telling the clean state.
- adolph 5y ago> fishing a single item out This is the challenge. Allow for partial unload without displaying "ready for dirty dish load." Ultimately I think it has to be performed by a manually operated sign, which can easily get out of sync with the dishwasher state. https://www.amazon.com/Dishwasher-Indicator-Dishwashers-Home-Medley/dp/B077KCCM42 https://www.amazon.com/Dishwasher-Indicator-Dishwashers-Home...
- stjohnswarts 5y agoYeah, I'm surprised I haven't worn out the door latch on my dishwasher...
- pmontra 5y agoMeta: I intended this comment to be a pun because of the post about the Tesla 3 update but it is getting a surprising number of upvotes. Apparently it's striking a chord. First of all, if you're a UX designer sorry for being a little snarky to you. A fair amount of it is probably unfair. Second, maybe you can shed some light on why that kind of UX updates happen. As somebody else wrote in another comment "designers designing for design sake". Maybe it's not. Third, maybe you can enlighten us developers about the circumstances when designers think that developers develop for development sake. I'm sure it happens.
- beamatronic 5y agoIt’s not just the 3 is it?
- gameswithgo 5y agoIn theory yes, but so far in my 43 years of life feature updates are usually things that are hostile to the user.
- ChrisLomont 5y agoSo things are now generally much less user friendly than 43 years ago?
- psyc 5y agoYes. Both more capable and less user friendly. 40 years ago a TV had three physical controls and one input.
- prewett 5y agoThose old TVs had some serious usability issues, though. There were 10 (?) channels selectable by one knob, and then additional channels selected if the main knob was turned to the correct setting ("UHF", if I recall correctly). The master knob tended to be below the additional-frequency knob, though, which seems a little strange. Then there was the challenge of the fine adjustment ring on the UHF selector for tuning (not sure if the master knob had one). And, of course, the more frequently needed coarse adjustment from the (unmentioned) antenna, which seemed like it always needed some hacky tweaking. Including sometimes touching it continuously in order to get a good picture.
- AlwaysRock 5y agoOr remove features altogether because they don't want to support them anymore!