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My dishwasher needs no software. The dishwasher I buy will never need software. I am a software engineer and I love technology, but I love simple technology a

My dishwasher needs no software. The dishwasher I buy will never need software. I am a software engineer and I love technology, but I love simple technology and when something doesn't need software, I don't add software just for the sake of having software.

arsome 5y ago
Pretty sure any dishwasher on the market in the past decade uses at least a simple microcontroller, just because it's the cheapest way to achieve all their control and user interactions.
jhkiehna 5y ago
But dude... How else are you gonna turn it on remotely? WOuldn't it be awesome to be able to load it, walk away for several hours then turn it on from a different room?! That feature alone is totally worth all the extra hassle.
- Zababa 5y ago
  I know this is probably a joke but my washing machine and all the dishwasher I know have this feature and don't need wifi.
ludamad 5y ago
Is detecting clean water not done in software?
- OtomotO 5y ago
  I live in a country with only clean water :X
  - ludamad 5y ago
    I meant detecting clean water, as opposed to water still washing dishes/dirt
cure 5y ago
> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. If you have that option. Not sure if you've shopped for white goods recently, but the options without wifi are relatively few, and mostly lower end models. We needed a new stove, I wanted one without wifi/internet connectivity. Due to the above and supply chain issues that limited availability of a lot of models, I didn't have a choice and ended up with a model with wifi/internet connectivity. I have, of course, not connected it.
- OtomotO 5y ago
  I am completely honest here: We had a dishwasher since I was a little child (it's very common here) The first one we had, we had for over 20 years until it broke down. If I can only get an IoT-thingy, I'll refuse to buy one and either repair the old one or wash by hand. I am a green-nut, so I try to minimize my eco-footprint, but enough is enough and I draw a line when my dishwasher needs to phone home. What software update could it possible need? A better algorithm for dosage?
  - slantyyz 5y ago
    Sadly, I don't think dishwashers will last 20 years any more. Since 2005, I'm on my third dishwasher. The first one lasted 9 years, the second one around 5 (with one under warranty repair). At some point the repairs/parts cost more than what the original dishwasher is worth. Regarding the algorithm, I'm not sure they make a huge difference anyways. FWIW, The Technology Connections channel on YouTube has a couple of pretty interesting videos on how dishwashers work and how to get the most out of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU
    - OtomotO 5y ago
      Money isn't of real relevance to me, so if it costs more I don't really care unless it's a ridiculous difference
- userbinator 5y ago
gonzo41 5y ago
I just wash my dishes by hand. It's like 5 minutes between meetings during morning. Same with zipping around the house with a vacuum cleaner.
- jjgreen 5y ago
  I'm so glad to see your post, reading this thread I thought I was the only person in the world that does this; and rather enjoy it, 10 minutes of zen-like contemplation while your hands do the work ....
pessimizer 5y ago
> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. Not going to have that option in 5 years. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't require a Google Play account.

arsome 5y ago

Pretty sure any dishwasher on the market in the past decade uses at least a simple microcontroller, just because it's the cheapest way to achieve all their control and user interactions.

jhkiehna 5y ago

But dude... How else are you gonna turn it on remotely? WOuldn't it be awesome to be able to load it, walk away for several hours then turn it on from a different room?! That feature alone is totally worth all the extra hassle.

Zababa 5y ago
I know this is probably a joke but my washing machine and all the dishwasher I know have this feature and don't need wifi.

ludamad 5y ago

Is detecting clean water not done in software?

OtomotO 5y ago
I live in a country with only clean water :X
- ludamad 5y ago
  I meant detecting clean water, as opposed to water still washing dishes/dirt

cure 5y ago

> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. If you have that option. Not sure if you've shopped for white goods recently, but the options without wifi are relatively few, and mostly lower end models. We needed a new stove, I wanted one without wifi/internet connectivity. Due to the above and supply chain issues that limited availability of a lot of models, I didn't have a choice and ended up with a model with wifi/internet connectivity. I have, of course, not connected it.

OtomotO 5y ago
I am completely honest here: We had a dishwasher since I was a little child (it's very common here) The first one we had, we had for over 20 years until it broke down. If I can only get an IoT-thingy, I'll refuse to buy one and either repair the old one or wash by hand. I am a green-nut, so I try to minimize my eco-footprint, but enough is enough and I draw a line when my dishwasher needs to phone home. What software update could it possible need? A better algorithm for dosage?
- slantyyz 5y ago
  Sadly, I don't think dishwashers will last 20 years any more. Since 2005, I'm on my third dishwasher. The first one lasted 9 years, the second one around 5 (with one under warranty repair). At some point the repairs/parts cost more than what the original dishwasher is worth. Regarding the algorithm, I'm not sure they make a huge difference anyways. FWIW, The Technology Connections channel on YouTube has a couple of pretty interesting videos on how dishwashers work and how to get the most out of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU
  - OtomotO 5y ago
    Money isn't of real relevance to me, so if it costs more I don't really care unless it's a ridiculous difference
userbinator 5y ago

gonzo41 5y ago

I just wash my dishes by hand. It's like 5 minutes between meetings during morning. Same with zipping around the house with a vacuum cleaner.

jjgreen 5y ago
I'm so glad to see your post, reading this thread I thought I was the only person in the world that does this; and rather enjoy it, 10 minutes of zen-like contemplation while your hands do the work ....

pessimizer 5y ago

> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. Not going to have that option in 5 years. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't require a Google Play account.