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I'm a Tesla to and the new design is horrible UX. I hate to say it, but I think auto safety regulations will now have to incorporate basic interior functions a

I'm a Tesla to and the new design is horrible UX. I hate to say it, but I think auto safety regulations will now have to incorporate basic interior functions as accepted e criteria. Corporations are too greedy and will compromise safety for money at any time (presumably app buttons could be a revenue stream, and that's why they want to promote it)

stanzheng 5y ago
fan / owner? you missed a word "I'm a Tesla to and the new design is horrible UX."
- pantalaimon 5y ago
  FSD has finally gained consciousness
- timando 5y ago
  maybe the car has gained the ability to comment here.
rootusrootus 5y ago
PRNDL is regulated, so there's precedent for setting a minimum standard for UI.
MBCook 5y ago
I would agree it should be regulated, along with quite a few other things around controls. But I seriously wonder if any of the legacy auto makers would do this. I feel like they’re all way too conservative to do something this radical.
- belval 5y ago
  Oh please like legacy automakers are resistant to implenting consumer hostile features to increase their revenues. https://techxplore.com/news/2021-05-ford-infotainment-screens-ads-local.html https://techxplore.com/news/2021-05-ford-infotainment-screen...
  - MBCook 5y ago
    There’s a difference between stupid money grubbing stuff (which they’ve all been looking at) and risking safety by hiding safety critical systems. I was referring to the later.
- drexlspivey 5y ago
  I like how pretty much every post here contains multiple people asking for new regulations. Thank god the HN crowd is not in charge of legislation because soon everything would be illegal.
  - MBCook 5y ago
    Sorry but I have a pretty strong desire for regulations on things that could easily be safety critical. We have a lot of history in the US showing that’s basically the only way to get/keep safety.
floatingatoll 5y ago
They already do have to adhere to regulations of those functions: https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/23055-2drn https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/23055-2drn And pass the FMVSS 103 Windshield Defrosting And Defogging safety test: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/tp-103-13_tag.pdf https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/tp-103... Which specifically requires: photos of the instrument cluster to be filed. Has Tesla violated their certification by altering the instrument cluster without going through the appropriate 103 certification process? The document also inherits from SAE J902A, which I can’t view as it costs money, even though it’s US law. Does J902A require a button to always be present, such that use of submenus for said digital button would be illegal under federal law?

stanzheng 5y ago

fan / owner? you missed a word "I'm a Tesla to and the new design is horrible UX."

pantalaimon 5y ago
FSD has finally gained consciousness
timando 5y ago
maybe the car has gained the ability to comment here.

rootusrootus 5y ago

PRNDL is regulated, so there's precedent for setting a minimum standard for UI.

MBCook 5y ago

I would agree it should be regulated, along with quite a few other things around controls. But I seriously wonder if any of the legacy auto makers would do this. I feel like they’re all way too conservative to do something this radical.

belval 5y ago
Oh please like legacy automakers are resistant to implenting consumer hostile features to increase their revenues. https://techxplore.com/news/2021-05-ford-infotainment-screens-ads-local.html https://techxplore.com/news/2021-05-ford-infotainment-screen...
- MBCook 5y ago
  There’s a difference between stupid money grubbing stuff (which they’ve all been looking at) and risking safety by hiding safety critical systems. I was referring to the later.
drexlspivey 5y ago
I like how pretty much every post here contains multiple people asking for new regulations. Thank god the HN crowd is not in charge of legislation because soon everything would be illegal.
- MBCook 5y ago
  Sorry but I have a pretty strong desire for regulations on things that could easily be safety critical. We have a lot of history in the US showing that’s basically the only way to get/keep safety.

floatingatoll 5y ago

They already do have to adhere to regulations of those functions: https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/23055-2drn https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/23055-2drn And pass the FMVSS 103 Windshield Defrosting And Defogging safety test: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/tp-103-13_tag.pdf https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/tp-103... Which specifically requires: photos of the instrument cluster to be filed. Has Tesla violated their certification by altering the instrument cluster without going through the appropriate 103 certification process? The document also inherits from SAE J902A, which I can’t view as it costs money, even though it’s US law. Does J902A require a button to always be present, such that use of submenus for said digital button would be illegal under federal law?