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RIP Stack Overflow Jobs
- pigbearpig 5y ago> While Talent & Jobs helped us get to where we are over the past decade, the talent acquisition space is not one where we have a strong competitive advantage. Ah, I'd consider the arguably most visited site by software developers would have a strong competitive advantage in advertising jobs for software developers.
- mikequinlan 5y agoThe people who pay for ads are recruiters and Stack Overflow is not the most visited site by recruiters.
- ackbar03 5y agoI feel like. Job seeking / sourcing seems to be one of those problems that are never "solved" very well by tech. Does anyone have any idea or summary of why that is? just out of curiousity
- cosmodisk 5y agoBecause mostly it's still 1-1 interactions that can't be automated.
- Spooky23 5y agoExactly. We have a 1-many model for hiring people as well… body shops that are both inhumane and rife with fraud and abuse.
- marcinzm 5y agoWould you really like it solved by tech the way other problems were "solved" by tech? Do you really want a couple of large tech companies to control your ability to get hired for most jobs with no customer service and automated bans at their discretion?
- drran 5y agoTinder for jobs! You liked a company which liked you in return, now you both can go to interview. Any VC's there? I need a few millions to make it reality.
- 20after4 5y agoI think I read somewhere a story about someone actually finding a job on actual tinder.
- marcinzm 5y agoIt's that basically Hired?
- drran 5y agoNo. I cannot like companies where I want to work, so I will be spammed by recruiters with sheety jobs which are hard to fill. Now, we need a Tinder for investments.
- Spooky23 5y agoSO is owned by some equity firm that owns a third of tencent. It’s a blip to them.
- adventured 5y agoElaborating on the parent's info - the PE firm is Prosus, which is owned by Naspers. Naspers is a South African conglomerate / investment firm that has been dabbling in tech investments for decades and started out initially in publishing a century ago. They bought 46.5% of Tencent in 2001 for something like $34 million. They've gradually sold some of the Tencent and still hold around 1/3 of it. And now they're up to this: "[May 2021] Prosus, the European-based technology listed subsidiary of South African giant Naspers, has bought 49.5% of its parent, in a move widely considered a means of moving the hugely valuable one-third stake of mobile giant Tencent from Africa into Europe. ... The Amsterdam-based Prosus would remain under Naspers control, through its controlling stake in Prosus, but both firms believe it will increase both of their valuations. Prosus is Europe’s largest internet company and believes this transaction will also double its free float to $100 billion, which it argues will increase its liquidity, market index weightings and trading dynamics." https://www.forbes.com/sites/tobyshapshak/2021/05/13/prosus-buys-45-of-parent-naspers-moving-tencent-shareholding-to-europe/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/tobyshapshak/2021/05/13/prosus-...
- throwanem 5y agoI get it. They've never found a way to successfully compete with LinkedIn, it's probably about time to stop throwing good money after bad. A shame in that the timeline view is actually really nice and well done from a UI perspective, but "worse is better", I suppose.
- Jonovono 5y agoDamn, am I the only one that used SO pretty much daily and never realised they had a Jobs board?
- benibela 5y agoThat is unfortunate Just when I had updated my dev story to search for my first non-academics tech job
- rrmdp 5y agoNow that StackOverflow Jobs is shutting down I am building a list of alternatives to the best job board for developers in the word! https://www.stackoverflowjobsalternatives.com/ https://www.stackoverflowjobsalternatives.com/ Please let me know if you know any missing ones :) Hope it help lots of developers out there searching for a job Thanks, Rod.
- makecheck 5y agoIt’s really too bad; I found the tagging alone to be far more descriptive than any other site, e.g. I can literally tell in an instant if a job is using: this IDE, that language, that build environment; and ultimately I can tell in seconds if the job makes any sense for me.
- 255 5y agoA while back SO jobs helped get me and my partner a footing in the industry, so I felt like I owed it back something and begged the new bosses to try it out, as I believed it was where the real good candidates were looking I stopped using the website after I tried to get our company on there, and they decided that we weren't 'big shot' enough to have listings
- throwuxiytayq 5y agoBad move. It was a perfect fit for SO, and I used the dev story as a CV replacement. Helped me get my last three jobs. I was hoping to find out why they're doing this from the article, but I really didn't, and I don't get it. Oh well. Still not getting a LinkedIn.
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- 00000000005 5y agoThe new CEO does not impress with the killing off of jobs. Instead, he should have cut the price from a stupid $500 per ad to $50 per ad. Companies have money to spend on job ads, but not if it’s a $500 rip off price gouge. StackOverflow doesn’t really understand it’s own business and how to make money, despite having the eyeballs of millions of developers.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y agoIf you think $500 is expensive, do yourself a favour and never take a look at what your company's sales department is spending on Salesforce.
- smorgusofborg 5y agoI don't get your comment. Paying $500 to reach many candidates is not expensive in headhunting and they didn't claim to have a problem finding enough clients. $50 would make vetting more necessary and cover less of it as well. (SE did respond to specific questions about the legitimacy of ads when I asked them.)
- throwuxiytayq 5y agoIn my country, $500 is more than an average HR employee earns in a month. A proposal to pay this much for a job posting would be laughed away.
- smorgusofborg 5y agoIf 10% of engineers in your country end up working for a foreign firm, wont SE make more money and have less costs vetting remote postings? There's plenty of opportunities they left on the floor because they didn't like the best deals of that business, sure they could have grown and lowered their average return.
- Ekaros 5y ago500$ for post on single site. And there is probably half-dozen of them around... That really starts to add up in long run.
- fuball63 5y agoWhat I always liked about SO jobs was it was tech centric, so you could filter on language or tool. It also seemed to have more "transparent" posts in terms of salary, benefits, and dev practices. What are good alternatives to SO jobs?
- Varqu 5y agoWe run a few Developer-dedicated job boards[1] with focus on transparency and: - mandatory salary information (with real brackets and no $1 - $1M) - our own engineering test (do they have proper CI/CD, write tests, have QAs, etc.) - full tech stack information [1] The sites are per country: - US: https://devitjobs.us https://devitjobs.us - UK: https://devitjobs.uk https://devitjobs.uk - Netherlands: https://devitjobs.nl https://devitjobs.nl - Switzerland: https://swissdevjobs.ch/ https://swissdevjobs.ch/ - Germany: https://germantechjobs.de/en/ https://germantechjobs.de/en/ - Romania: https://devjob.ro/en/ https://devjob.ro/en/ There is also this site (not affiliated) which lists over 70 alternative job boards: https://stackoverflowjobsalternatives.com/ https://stackoverflowjobsalternatives.com/
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y agoI couldn't help but notice how similar those sites are to this Polish one: https://justjoin.it/?tab=with-salary https://justjoin.it/?tab=with-salary are you in any way affiliated with them?
- Varqu 5y agoNo, not affiliated.
- kevinmershon 5y agoI see you guys don't list Clojure under tech stack, which is a bit absurd as it's consistently one of the highest paying and highest job satisfaction languages year after year in software engineer surveys. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#section-top-paying-technologies-top-paying-technologies https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#section-top-p...
- abinaya_rl 5y agoStack Overflow Jobs is one of the great quality sources for curating remote jobs for my job board. It's unfortunate that they are killing the Salary Calculator[1]. If any company looking for alternatives for featuring the remote job openings, I'm happy to onboard you [2] [1] - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/salary https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/salary [2] - https://twitter.com/abinaya_rl https://twitter.com/abinaya_rl
- morphinmorpheus 5y agoWhat would be your recommendations for the other side of the table? I'll finish university in November and was starting to get ready for job hunting... Thank you!
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- santiagobasulto 5y agoOh no! This makes me sad. I got my first job (what started my whole career) using SO Jobs. It was brand new back in the day (Feb 2012). I was a self-taught kid from an underdeveloped country (Argentina) and had the "audacity" to apply for a job at an American company. It COMPLETELY changed my life (had a salary in US Dollars, learned about startups, started my own company and sold it years after). I am still very grateful to my first employers, coworkers and, at some extent, grateful to StackOverflow for such a simple and nerd-oriented platform back then.
- nmpennypacker 5y agoThat's a shame. I've landed two jobs on SO jobs and in my opinion it was extra motivation for maintaining a SO profile and being active in the community - a real one-stop-shop. Sad to see it go. It was the first place I looked when thinking about changing jobs. I particularly liked the 'remote' checkbox, and the fact that you could filter by salary range.
- jrumbut 5y agoOne real, unique competitive advantage they had was that it's a site devs use at work all the time. Therefore job posting were getting in front of actively working devs who seem to be the group most companies want to hire.
- asicsp 5y agoDiscussion on the SO meta announcement: "StackOverflow: Sunsetting Jobs and Developer Story by April 2022" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30023343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30023343 (9 days ago | 78 comments)
- intellix 5y agoAll of our good hires were through this and I'm not sure if there's another way to find good people so easily
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- phreack 5y agoThe loss of Jobs is terrible. I don't know of other platforms where you can easily filter for showsSalary && isRemote, has such detailed tech stack per job posting, such little friction to make a CV and apply - and most importantly, so many real postings from worldwide companies. I can't fathom how they could not make a profit out of this, on freaking SO.
- Varqu 5y agoActually we have all the features that you mention - I posted the links to our job boards in another comment.
- phreack 5y agoI was actually referring to developer story with that CV thing, sorry, but most importantly it's not clear to me how or on which of your websites to apply if I were, say, a Colombian developer, and how to filter for jobs who'd accept such workers. Also on mobile there's a few CSS overlapping items, just FYI it hurts the image of the site a lot.
- Varqu 5y agoThanks for the feedback, working on fixing it! As for the first question: it depends on which country do you target, essentially on each site you can filter to find remote roles and some roles that offer Visa Sponsorship (which is important in case you would like to move to Europe)
- woleium 5y agoitjobswatch.co.uk isn't the same, but isnt terrible.
- phreack 5y agoIs it UK only? I couldn't easily find how to filter by what I'd mentioned on mobile.
- jt2190 5y agoStack Overflow says [1] they're going to focus on helping companies execute their Employer Branding Strategy [2] through advertising. This makes sense on one level: * Employers are paying Stack Overflow, not candidates. Employers are therefore the real customers. * Employers want to look unique to candidates, not like "just another job posting" * Employers want to feed candidates into their recruiting pipeline directly, rather than let Stack Overflow manage more steps of the recruitment process. [1] "Sunsetting Jobs & Developer Story" https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/415293/sunsetting-jobs-developer-story https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/415293/sunsetting-j... [2] "How to Build a Successful Employer Branding Strategy for Your Organization" by Shani Jay: https://www.aihr.com/blog/employer-branding-strategy/ https://www.aihr.com/blog/employer-branding-strategy/