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Why do truckers have vaccine mandates? They are sitting alone in a truck 99% of the time...

by umvi 5y ago

version_five 5y ago
Canadas government wants to punish people that don't want to be vaccinated, for political gain. The connection between rules and public health was lost a long time ago. These are all just populist measures to solicit votes. We have one of the worlds highest vaccination rates, and where rates are highest, the rules constantly get more strict. Don't think for a second Canadian politicians are making these (illegal) rules because of public health. Long ago, Canadians have voluntarily complied with all advice in high enough percentages that the rest is is meaningless.
- zht 5y ago
  sorry are you saying that the US imposing vaccine requirements for truckers is also the US government wanting to punish people?
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    The US has their own reasons. Part of it is some people see others who didn't take the vaccine as amoral or the reason why things are still locked down. Those people need to be punished some believe. Many have been feed partial truths and political leaders have used this to deflect blame and place it on a minority population. The smaller the minority the harsher the treatment.
    - bsder 5y ago
      > Part of it is some people see others who didn't take the vaccine as amoral or the reason why things are still locked down. Well, anti-vax people ARE part of the problem why things are still locked down as anti-vax people are currently taking up most of the critical hospital capacity. > Those people need to be punished some believe. From my personal experience, on the anti-vax side we have a wife who watched her husband die from Covid but still won't get herself OR HER SON the vaccine. If we change the words from Republican Trumper to Christian Scientist, suddenly the exact same people think it's okay to throw people in jail for these kinds of beliefs. At this point, Omicron is solving our anti-vax problem. I feel sorry for those who can't get vaccinated. I've had Covid before vaccines (that sucked and continues to suck in many ways) and I got vaccinated as well. But I, personally, can't do anything more. At this point it looks like by the end of February, Omicron will have burned through everybody, and we can get back to normal. And so it goes.
      - version_five 5y ago
        The article being discussed had nothing to do with being against vaccines or hesitant to take the covid vaccine. It is about people protesting a mandate that forces them to share and prove medical information to do their jobs, and participate in society broadly. The examples you share are not really relevant to that discussion
        jleyank 5y ago
        Bullsh*t. It's about people who just don't buy into the Covid bit and hate being inconvenienced. There's already a lot of restrictions in crossing borders, requiring a drivers license, requiring insurance, training, ... and controlling what can and can't be consumed on the job. So they're already under a whole lot of mandates that weren't oppressive last week. Hell, you can't eat peanuts in school anymore but that doesn't bother anybody. And with the Confederate, US, Trump, ... paraphernalia in the progression, they're just the same as the folks down south who thought 1/6 was a tour group. Forgot. There's a whole lot of vaccines that don't bother people, such as getting kids into school, traveling to certain parts of the world, working in certain fields, etc. And when they complain about the mRNA vaccines, they're not pointing out that the various alternatives (traditional and novel) aren't their choice - they just lump them all together and complain. And for those interested in googling, check out the responses of politicians when the Truckers screw up transport vs. what happened when the First Nations did. And they had similar complaints.
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alephxyz 5y ago
It only applies to non-canadian truckers doing cross border trips... https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2022/01/requirements-for-truckers-entering-canada-in-effect-as-of-january-15-2022.html https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2022/01/requirem...
gumby 5y ago
Truckies travel between population groups so can spread Covid, just a ships moving between countries can spread invasive species. It’s not the 70% of the time they are alone, it’s the time at load/unload, truck stops along the way, and the like.
- landemva 5y ago
  Buying food and fuel. Going shopping. That basically describes everyone who does not have a keyboard career.
- RedBeetDeadpool 5y ago
  > it’s the time at load/unload, truck stops along the way, and the like. Install procedures around those stops then. Problem solved. This constant fearmongering and coercion by the state is the real problem right now. For some reason it gets the majority of the population to cower up into obeisance, and the rest who are more independent thinking and less fearful of death, who are willing to die for what they believe in, end up getting bludgeoned by the fear-ridden vaccinated population who are supposedly already protected by their vaccines and their many boosters. I just don't get it. People who are protected are protected. People who are willing to die for what they believe in are allowed to both fight and to die for what they believe in. This is great, lets not put in a mandate for it. That's not creeping into authoritarianism, it is authoritarianism. I say let the truckies keep fighting for what they believe in, they are braver than the vaccinated mass. And if the vaccinated mass want to hurl vaccines at them then let them. But don't let the state mandate people to inject chemicals developed by the state.
  - gumby 5y ago
    > Install procedures around those stops then. Problem solved. Your suggestion sounds sensible: as this is about unvaccinated Canadian drivers returning from the US, I am sure Canada will implement your solution at all the truck stops in the USA.
- refurb 5y ago
  But Omnicron data shows that fully vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus. I mean, Canada has already approved Covid positive doctors going back to work immediately including treating patients. And they can mix positive and negative patients in the same ward. It’s pretty clear the health authorities aren’t that concerned about spreading covid. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-hospitals-can-put-covid-positive-and-negative-patients-in-same-rooms-top-doctor-1.5750555 https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-hospitals-can-put-covid-positive-a...
jleyank 5y ago
This thing started because of the added restriction of being fully vaccinated to cross the US or Canadian border as a trucker.
- myrryr 5y ago
  Because they didn't want the truckers filling up the hospitals. Same reason as New Zealand having the mandates, it wasn't about trying to reduce spread, it was about trying to reduce the number of people who would end up in hospital. The vaccine vastly reduces rates where people end up having to be hospitalized, and hospitalization is expensive and bad.
  - perryizgr8 5y ago
    > want the truckers filling up the hospitals Shouldn't be a problem in a free market. Supply will increase in response to increased demand and prices will adjust accordingly in the interim. It will be fine. Not the government's job to micro manage this stuff, especially by trampling on fundamental individual rights.
    - fooster 5y ago
      It is the government responsibility of course. Canada is not the US.
      - perryizgr8 5y ago
        Ah, looks like we found the root cause then :)
HWR_14 5y ago
> Why do truckers have vaccine mandates? All people crossing the US-Canada border have vaccine mandates. The bigger question is why have truckers been exempt up until now. Well, it's obvious, we have a logistics crisis. But we've discovered that most people will get vaccinated to save their jobs, so there's not much worry. We'll lose very few truckers and those can take up non-border crossing routes. Anyway, most of the exemptions for many essential workers classes expire tomorrow.
- jcadam 5y ago
  > But we've discovered that most people will get vaccinated to save their jobs, so there's not much worry... And if that doesn't work, maybe we can threaten to take their children away, or to put them in camps. Most would comply when faced with that sort of coercion, so there's not much worry...

Why do truckers have vaccine mandates? They are sitting alone in a truck 99% of the time...

by umvi 5y ago

Why do truckers have vaccine mandates? They are sitting alone in a truck 99% of the time...

Canadas government wants to punish people that don't want to be vaccinated, for political gain. The connection between rules and public health was lost a long time ago. These are all just populist measures to solicit votes. We have one of the worlds highest vaccination rates, and where rates are highest, the rules constantly get more strict. Don't think for a second Canadian politicians are making these (illegal) rules because of public health. Long ago, Canadians have voluntarily complied with all advice in high enough percentages that the rest is is meaningless.

zht 5y ago
sorry are you saying that the US imposing vaccine requirements for truckers is also the US government wanting to punish people?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The US has their own reasons. Part of it is some people see others who didn't take the vaccine as amoral or the reason why things are still locked down. Those people need to be punished some believe. Many have been feed partial truths and political leaders have used this to deflect blame and place it on a minority population. The smaller the minority the harsher the treatment.
  - bsder 5y ago
    > Part of it is some people see others who didn't take the vaccine as amoral or the reason why things are still locked down. Well, anti-vax people ARE part of the problem why things are still locked down as anti-vax people are currently taking up most of the critical hospital capacity. > Those people need to be punished some believe. From my personal experience, on the anti-vax side we have a wife who watched her husband die from Covid but still won't get herself OR HER SON the vaccine. If we change the words from Republican Trumper to Christian Scientist, suddenly the exact same people think it's okay to throw people in jail for these kinds of beliefs. At this point, Omicron is solving our anti-vax problem. I feel sorry for those who can't get vaccinated. I've had Covid before vaccines (that sucked and continues to suck in many ways) and I got vaccinated as well. But I, personally, can't do anything more. At this point it looks like by the end of February, Omicron will have burned through everybody, and we can get back to normal. And so it goes.
    - version_five 5y ago
      The article being discussed had nothing to do with being against vaccines or hesitant to take the covid vaccine. It is about people protesting a mandate that forces them to share and prove medical information to do their jobs, and participate in society broadly. The examples you share are not really relevant to that discussion
      - jleyank 5y ago
        Bullsh*t. It's about people who just don't buy into the Covid bit and hate being inconvenienced. There's already a lot of restrictions in crossing borders, requiring a drivers license, requiring insurance, training, ... and controlling what can and can't be consumed on the job. So they're already under a whole lot of mandates that weren't oppressive last week. Hell, you can't eat peanuts in school anymore but that doesn't bother anybody. And with the Confederate, US, Trump, ... paraphernalia in the progression, they're just the same as the folks down south who thought 1/6 was a tour group. Forgot. There's a whole lot of vaccines that don't bother people, such as getting kids into school, traveling to certain parts of the world, working in certain fields, etc. And when they complain about the mRNA vaccines, they're not pointing out that the various alternatives (traditional and novel) aren't their choice - they just lump them all together and complain. And for those interested in googling, check out the responses of politicians when the Truckers screw up transport vs. what happened when the First Nations did. And they had similar complaints.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

alephxyz 5y ago

It only applies to non-canadian truckers doing cross border trips... https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2022/01/requirements-for-truckers-entering-canada-in-effect-as-of-january-15-2022.html https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2022/01/requirem...

gumby 5y ago

Truckies travel between population groups so can spread Covid, just a ships moving between countries can spread invasive species. It’s not the 70% of the time they are alone, it’s the time at load/unload, truck stops along the way, and the like.

landemva 5y ago
Buying food and fuel. Going shopping. That basically describes everyone who does not have a keyboard career.
RedBeetDeadpool 5y ago
> it’s the time at load/unload, truck stops along the way, and the like. Install procedures around those stops then. Problem solved. This constant fearmongering and coercion by the state is the real problem right now. For some reason it gets the majority of the population to cower up into obeisance, and the rest who are more independent thinking and less fearful of death, who are willing to die for what they believe in, end up getting bludgeoned by the fear-ridden vaccinated population who are supposedly already protected by their vaccines and their many boosters. I just don't get it. People who are protected are protected. People who are willing to die for what they believe in are allowed to both fight and to die for what they believe in. This is great, lets not put in a mandate for it. That's not creeping into authoritarianism, it is authoritarianism. I say let the truckies keep fighting for what they believe in, they are braver than the vaccinated mass. And if the vaccinated mass want to hurl vaccines at them then let them. But don't let the state mandate people to inject chemicals developed by the state.
- gumby 5y ago
  > Install procedures around those stops then. Problem solved. Your suggestion sounds sensible: as this is about unvaccinated Canadian drivers returning from the US, I am sure Canada will implement your solution at all the truck stops in the USA.
refurb 5y ago
But Omnicron data shows that fully vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus. I mean, Canada has already approved Covid positive doctors going back to work immediately including treating patients. And they can mix positive and negative patients in the same ward. It’s pretty clear the health authorities aren’t that concerned about spreading covid. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-hospitals-can-put-covid-positive-and-negative-patients-in-same-rooms-top-doctor-1.5750555 https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-hospitals-can-put-covid-positive-a...

jleyank 5y ago

This thing started because of the added restriction of being fully vaccinated to cross the US or Canadian border as a trucker.

myrryr 5y ago
Because they didn't want the truckers filling up the hospitals. Same reason as New Zealand having the mandates, it wasn't about trying to reduce spread, it was about trying to reduce the number of people who would end up in hospital. The vaccine vastly reduces rates where people end up having to be hospitalized, and hospitalization is expensive and bad.
- perryizgr8 5y ago
  > want the truckers filling up the hospitals Shouldn't be a problem in a free market. Supply will increase in response to increased demand and prices will adjust accordingly in the interim. It will be fine. Not the government's job to micro manage this stuff, especially by trampling on fundamental individual rights.
  - fooster 5y ago
    It is the government responsibility of course. Canada is not the US.
    - perryizgr8 5y ago
      Ah, looks like we found the root cause then :)

HWR_14 5y ago

> Why do truckers have vaccine mandates? All people crossing the US-Canada border have vaccine mandates. The bigger question is why have truckers been exempt up until now. Well, it's obvious, we have a logistics crisis. But we've discovered that most people will get vaccinated to save their jobs, so there's not much worry. We'll lose very few truckers and those can take up non-border crossing routes. Anyway, most of the exemptions for many essential workers classes expire tomorrow.

jcadam 5y ago
> But we've discovered that most people will get vaccinated to save their jobs, so there's not much worry... And if that doesn't work, maybe we can threaten to take their children away, or to put them in camps. Most would comply when faced with that sort of coercion, so there's not much worry...