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> The science is a google search away. Google is not science. Google is not a particularly good way for many people to consume science, either, as unless one h

> The science is a google search away. Google is not science. Google is not a particularly good way for many people to consume science, either, as unless one has a scientific background and a good deal of perspective, the average person just ends up confirming their biases by only looking at "science" that conforms to their bias. I for one, was a heavy meat eater for much my life. Going pescatarian (kinda, I really just do fish oil and maybe fish as a dish once a month) recently lead a huge quality of life for myself. Really though, anecdotes are nearly completely worthless. All other health issues with meat aside, a fully meat diet is going to load you with iron, and iron is a vigorous initiator of free radical oxidations, and high iron is associated with early dementia. Iron is also super hard to remove the body. If I ate an all meat I would watch my iron closely and perhaps donate blood as often as possible. And if you combine lots of meat with junk carbs, then that is most destructive diet possible.

nradov 5y ago
Excessive iron levels can be dangerous, but iron deficiency is also common among athletes. https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-Lab/2019/August/27/What-Endurance-Athletes-Should-Know-About-Iron-Deficiency-Anemia-and-Ferritin-Screening https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-...
hiptobecubic 5y ago
Saying "google is not science" is like saying "spotify isn't music." Yeah if you just go on there and do a mostly undirected mosey through whatever it suggests, you'll probably end up with low quality nonsense. The answer is to become better at using the tool.
1_player 5y ago
The issue with talking nutrition with people is that they think one size fits all and that the body and its digestion is a simple machine we have fully understood. Like you are preaching that meat gives too much iron and is bad, while in my experience decades of eating gluten have caused nutritional imbalances, one of which is called iron-deficiency anemia, and causes brain fog, tiredness, pallor and shortness of breathing. More meat and iron supplements (rarely) gives me an amount of energy I haven't felt in a decade. I've found this out for myself because even medical doctors keep repeating advice ("you should eat less red meat and more whole foods" is the MD's mantra) which doesn't respect one's own physiology and weren't able to track this down. Yes, people can thrive on a diet of Mars bars, but it's not that simple and doesn't work for everybody. And I'd be more worried about heavy metals on a pescatarian diet than any other diet, vegan or otherwise.
- deeviant 5y ago
  Between you and me, and I think a reasonable person would identify you as the one preaching. I mentioned iron once and that was me doing my best to interact with your extreme position as reasonable and productively as I could possibly manage. But since you brought it up again, I'll take this time to mention that the population with the longest lifespan AND health-span in the world, are anemic as a rule (Japanese women). > The issue with talking nutrition with people is that they think one size fits all and that the body and its digestion is a simple machine we have fully understood. Anecdotes are worthless. Conditions get worse or better, for a variety of reasons and a sample size of one is statistically and scientifically worthless. It's nearly impossible to perform something like a double blind study on one's self, and even if you could make to bake out the bias, you still have sample size of 1. You may have found a system that you can live with, but the fact that you have concluded that an nearly all meat diet is the healthiest for you means either that you either aren't human or disagree with the vast majority of dietary scientific knowledge. For what it's worth, I was on a keto diet for a number years and my approach to keto was a nearly all meat with moderate amounts of low carb vegetables. I did good on the diet as a rule and dropped weight as rock, but study after study has found that more meat equates more higher mortality and shorter health-span. I cut out a lot of the meat but continued to abstain from simple carbs and processes foods and now have given myself the best chance known to science to be healthy in terms of diet. > Yes, people can thrive on a diet of Mars bars, but it's not that simple and doesn't work for everybody. Also, nobody can thrive off a diet of mars bars, so I fail to see how that adds anything to your point. Are somehow trying equate eating only mars bars with eating a diet with fruits and vegetables? Eating a diet of all mars bars has a lot more in common with eating a diet of nearly all meat than it does eating a varied diet that includes significant portions of fruits and vegetables, in a extremely unbalanced diet sense. > And I'd be more worried about heavy metals on a pescatarian diet than any other diet, vegan or otherwise. You are consuming more heavy metals than I am with your daily meat intake than I am with my monthly fish. And antibiotics, dioxins, copper, arsenic, and many other adulterants that end up concentrated in factory farmed meats. So if you are worried about heavy metals, I would be worried.

nradov 5y ago

Excessive iron levels can be dangerous, but iron deficiency is also common among athletes. https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-Lab/2019/August/27/What-Endurance-Athletes-Should-Know-About-Iron-Deficiency-Anemia-and-Ferritin-Screening https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-...

hiptobecubic 5y ago

Saying "google is not science" is like saying "spotify isn't music." Yeah if you just go on there and do a mostly undirected mosey through whatever it suggests, you'll probably end up with low quality nonsense. The answer is to become better at using the tool.

1_player 5y ago

The issue with talking nutrition with people is that they think one size fits all and that the body and its digestion is a simple machine we have fully understood. Like you are preaching that meat gives too much iron and is bad, while in my experience decades of eating gluten have caused nutritional imbalances, one of which is called iron-deficiency anemia, and causes brain fog, tiredness, pallor and shortness of breathing. More meat and iron supplements (rarely) gives me an amount of energy I haven't felt in a decade. I've found this out for myself because even medical doctors keep repeating advice ("you should eat less red meat and more whole foods" is the MD's mantra) which doesn't respect one's own physiology and weren't able to track this down. Yes, people can thrive on a diet of Mars bars, but it's not that simple and doesn't work for everybody. And I'd be more worried about heavy metals on a pescatarian diet than any other diet, vegan or otherwise.

deeviant 5y ago
Between you and me, and I think a reasonable person would identify you as the one preaching. I mentioned iron once and that was me doing my best to interact with your extreme position as reasonable and productively as I could possibly manage. But since you brought it up again, I'll take this time to mention that the population with the longest lifespan AND health-span in the world, are anemic as a rule (Japanese women). > The issue with talking nutrition with people is that they think one size fits all and that the body and its digestion is a simple machine we have fully understood. Anecdotes are worthless. Conditions get worse or better, for a variety of reasons and a sample size of one is statistically and scientifically worthless. It's nearly impossible to perform something like a double blind study on one's self, and even if you could make to bake out the bias, you still have sample size of 1. You may have found a system that you can live with, but the fact that you have concluded that an nearly all meat diet is the healthiest for you means either that you either aren't human or disagree with the vast majority of dietary scientific knowledge. For what it's worth, I was on a keto diet for a number years and my approach to keto was a nearly all meat with moderate amounts of low carb vegetables. I did good on the diet as a rule and dropped weight as rock, but study after study has found that more meat equates more higher mortality and shorter health-span. I cut out a lot of the meat but continued to abstain from simple carbs and processes foods and now have given myself the best chance known to science to be healthy in terms of diet. > Yes, people can thrive on a diet of Mars bars, but it's not that simple and doesn't work for everybody. Also, nobody can thrive off a diet of mars bars, so I fail to see how that adds anything to your point. Are somehow trying equate eating only mars bars with eating a diet with fruits and vegetables? Eating a diet of all mars bars has a lot more in common with eating a diet of nearly all meat than it does eating a varied diet that includes significant portions of fruits and vegetables, in a extremely unbalanced diet sense. > And I'd be more worried about heavy metals on a pescatarian diet than any other diet, vegan or otherwise. You are consuming more heavy metals than I am with your daily meat intake than I am with my monthly fish. And antibiotics, dioxins, copper, arsenic, and many other adulterants that end up concentrated in factory farmed meats. So if you are worried about heavy metals, I would be worried.