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I eat some, but very little. 99% of my calories comes from animal foods. I do not think they are _unhealthy_, but there are some benefits in restricting them i

I eat some, but very little. 99% of my calories comes from animal foods. I do not think they are _unhealthy_, but there are some benefits in restricting them in some cases. In mine, cures _my_ digestive and mood issues. One is caused by whacked intestinal flora, and once your gut is completely destroyed, nutrient malabsorption caused by phytates and other phytochemicals worsen into systemic issues, including mood disturbances and inflammation. In my case, the experiment has been an absolute success, but I often succumb to the temptation of a pizza and I'm 5 steps back. Long term, I will reintroduce some as they are benign, but grains are actually bad for me. Gluten is even worse, again, for me. There is more, but this is good enough for an internet comment. The science is a google search away.

arvinsim 5y ago
Thank you for bringing this up. It means that I am not crazy when I notice that I get really tired after eating certain foods.
zoover2020 5y ago
What types of meat do you eat? How does a normal day of eating work like that?
- 1_player 5y ago
  3/4 of what I eat is organic, pasture-raised beef, pork and lamb from family owned farms, the rest is meat from supermarkets just because it's cheaper and sustainable meat is hard on the wallet. I hate cooking, I hate having to do it twice a day, so for me it's mostly grill/oven/pressure cook and eat 500g of meat twice a day with a little salt and spices. If I feel the need for more energy, butter or high quality organic ghee is added. Hunger is non existent, and I figure I'm naturally eating at a 20% deficit, because I have fat around me and my body knows it. Blood sugar perfectly stable at 5.5mmol/L, which feels incredible. But vegs works great as a treat. Today I had a simple salad with my steak and it was lovely, though I'm a little gassier now. If you use Reddit, look into /r/carnivore or /r/zerocarb.
  - zoover2020 5y ago
    Super interesting! Are you actually in a caloric deficit though? I'd love to learn more about this type of diet btw, any recommendations before I jump into this rabbit hole?
    - 1_player 5y ago
      I've updated my comment with reddit resources. Read on the science as well, learn about it. It would be hard for me not to be in a caloric deficit. Meat and fat are incredibly filling, and once your body switches to ketone bodies and then fatty acid oxidation for fuel, it learns that, if you're overweight, you're carrying a ton of fuel ready for use. It's hard to explain if you haven't experienced it, but it actually feels _good_, as opposed to the regular carb and insulin dance.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
      > any recommendations before I jump into this rabbit hole? Consult your physician.
      - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        Not the OP, but because this affects your health and thus whole life, be very conscious if the dietary advice you are getting comes from someone with a long term history of that diet! In other words find people who are advanced in years and with the health results you hope to attain, and observe what they do. Preferably people with similar genetics to yourself!
      - nradov 5y ago
        You've got to be kidding. Most physicians know very little about nutrition. And that's not a criticism of physicians, it's just not really their field. Maybe try a registered dietician instead?
deeviant 5y ago
> The science is a google search away. Google is not science. Google is not a particularly good way for many people to consume science, either, as unless one has a scientific background and a good deal of perspective, the average person just ends up confirming their biases by only looking at "science" that conforms to their bias. I for one, was a heavy meat eater for much my life. Going pescatarian (kinda, I really just do fish oil and maybe fish as a dish once a month) recently lead a huge quality of life for myself. Really though, anecdotes are nearly completely worthless. All other health issues with meat aside, a fully meat diet is going to load you with iron, and iron is a vigorous initiator of free radical oxidations, and high iron is associated with early dementia. Iron is also super hard to remove the body. If I ate an all meat I would watch my iron closely and perhaps donate blood as often as possible. And if you combine lots of meat with junk carbs, then that is most destructive diet possible.
- nradov 5y ago
  Excessive iron levels can be dangerous, but iron deficiency is also common among athletes. https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-Lab/2019/August/27/What-Endurance-Athletes-Should-Know-About-Iron-Deficiency-Anemia-and-Ferritin-Screening https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-...
- hiptobecubic 5y ago
  Saying "google is not science" is like saying "spotify isn't music." Yeah if you just go on there and do a mostly undirected mosey through whatever it suggests, you'll probably end up with low quality nonsense. The answer is to become better at using the tool.
- 1_player 5y ago
  The issue with talking nutrition with people is that they think one size fits all and that the body and its digestion is a simple machine we have fully understood. Like you are preaching that meat gives too much iron and is bad, while in my experience decades of eating gluten have caused nutritional imbalances, one of which is called iron-deficiency anemia, and causes brain fog, tiredness, pallor and shortness of breathing. More meat and iron supplements (rarely) gives me an amount of energy I haven't felt in a decade. I've found this out for myself because even medical doctors keep repeating advice ("you should eat less red meat and more whole foods" is the MD's mantra) which doesn't respect one's own physiology and weren't able to track this down. Yes, people can thrive on a diet of Mars bars, but it's not that simple and doesn't work for everybody. And I'd be more worried about heavy metals on a pescatarian diet than any other diet, vegan or otherwise.
hackerfromthefu 5y ago
I'm very sorry to hear about your digestive and health issues. With diets we don't see the effects fully in the short term and from what you said I highly suggest you work out how to eat a range of vegetables in your diet, to support your nutritional long term needs. If it's not just fruit but also vegetables that trigger your digestive issues, are you aware of the low Fodmap diet? It is based around understanding which vegetables don't cause the inflammation you mentioned, designed for people with digestive issues and reducing food irritation and inflammation.
- arvinsim 5y ago
  Not the parent but going ti check this out. Feels that this could help bloating
  - 1_player 5y ago
    It certainly did for me + IBS goes away after just a week on it. Gas is passed once a week, if at all. It's hard to argue that my gut is extremely happy when eating an extremely restricted diet. Digestion is a non event. And no, you don't _need_ fibre. I'm right in the middle of the Bristol stool scale with zero fibre. Another thing that scientists are uncovering right now but "you need fibre, fibre is good" keeps being parroted by everybody because someone said so 5 decades ago. Such is dogma.
- hiptobecubic 5y ago
  fwiw, my wife is going through a similar experience and has done roughly 1 bajillion hours of trying to sort out the various buzzword diets referenced across the internet. "Fuck it i'm just going to eat chicken soup and unaged beef and ghee" is not nuanced, nor is it a great idea long term probably, but it did bring a pretty abrupt end to a lot of the symptoms she was having, including but not limited to: diarrhea, esophagitis, duodenitis, insomnia, random undirected anxiety, lethargy and ovarian cysts. We don't yet know what she was eating before that was causing issues, but it seems pretty clear that the issue was in her diet. She is planning on slowly reintroducing foods but her planned timeline is measured in years. I say this as a vegan of many years. I hate it, but I can't argue with the results so far.
CodeGlitch 5y ago
Last November I started to have serious digestive upset, to the point where I missed most meals due to nausea, stomach cramps and diarrhea. Lost a tonne of weight and fell into anxiety and depression. I was introduced to the idea of FODMAPs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP A low FODMAP diet basically restricts stuff like gluten, a lot of fruit and vegetables, etc. I've found it has pretty much solved my digestive issues, and if I cave in and eat a bread sandwich... I'm suffering for the next 2 days. I think the human digestive system is highly complex, and should be the focus of a lot of research. There's so much we still don't know about the effects of what we eat. I hope one day I can reintroduce "normal" food again... Because frankly FODMAP restriction sucks. At least I'm not wasting away anymore.
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  Kill off the fermenting yeasts from your gut and replace them with beneficial microbes.
- landemva 5y ago
  When you want to try bread again, look for sprouted grains. It may help.
  - CodeGlitch 5y ago
    Thanks

arvinsim 5y ago

Thank you for bringing this up. It means that I am not crazy when I notice that I get really tired after eating certain foods.

zoover2020 5y ago

What types of meat do you eat? How does a normal day of eating work like that?

1_player 5y ago
3/4 of what I eat is organic, pasture-raised beef, pork and lamb from family owned farms, the rest is meat from supermarkets just because it's cheaper and sustainable meat is hard on the wallet. I hate cooking, I hate having to do it twice a day, so for me it's mostly grill/oven/pressure cook and eat 500g of meat twice a day with a little salt and spices. If I feel the need for more energy, butter or high quality organic ghee is added. Hunger is non existent, and I figure I'm naturally eating at a 20% deficit, because I have fat around me and my body knows it. Blood sugar perfectly stable at 5.5mmol/L, which feels incredible. But vegs works great as a treat. Today I had a simple salad with my steak and it was lovely, though I'm a little gassier now. If you use Reddit, look into /r/carnivore or /r/zerocarb.
- zoover2020 5y ago
  Super interesting! Are you actually in a caloric deficit though? I'd love to learn more about this type of diet btw, any recommendations before I jump into this rabbit hole?
  - 1_player 5y ago
    I've updated my comment with reddit resources. Read on the science as well, learn about it. It would be hard for me not to be in a caloric deficit. Meat and fat are incredibly filling, and once your body switches to ketone bodies and then fatty acid oxidation for fuel, it learns that, if you're overweight, you're carrying a ton of fuel ready for use. It's hard to explain if you haven't experienced it, but it actually feels _good_, as opposed to the regular carb and insulin dance.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
    > any recommendations before I jump into this rabbit hole? Consult your physician.
    - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
      Not the OP, but because this affects your health and thus whole life, be very conscious if the dietary advice you are getting comes from someone with a long term history of that diet! In other words find people who are advanced in years and with the health results you hope to attain, and observe what they do. Preferably people with similar genetics to yourself!
    - nradov 5y ago
      You've got to be kidding. Most physicians know very little about nutrition. And that's not a criticism of physicians, it's just not really their field. Maybe try a registered dietician instead?

deeviant 5y ago

> The science is a google search away. Google is not science. Google is not a particularly good way for many people to consume science, either, as unless one has a scientific background and a good deal of perspective, the average person just ends up confirming their biases by only looking at "science" that conforms to their bias. I for one, was a heavy meat eater for much my life. Going pescatarian (kinda, I really just do fish oil and maybe fish as a dish once a month) recently lead a huge quality of life for myself. Really though, anecdotes are nearly completely worthless. All other health issues with meat aside, a fully meat diet is going to load you with iron, and iron is a vigorous initiator of free radical oxidations, and high iron is associated with early dementia. Iron is also super hard to remove the body. If I ate an all meat I would watch my iron closely and perhaps donate blood as often as possible. And if you combine lots of meat with junk carbs, then that is most destructive diet possible.

nradov 5y ago
Excessive iron levels can be dangerous, but iron deficiency is also common among athletes. https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-Lab/2019/August/27/What-Endurance-Athletes-Should-Know-About-Iron-Deficiency-Anemia-and-Ferritin-Screening https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/News/Blogs/Multisport-...
hiptobecubic 5y ago
Saying "google is not science" is like saying "spotify isn't music." Yeah if you just go on there and do a mostly undirected mosey through whatever it suggests, you'll probably end up with low quality nonsense. The answer is to become better at using the tool.
1_player 5y ago
The issue with talking nutrition with people is that they think one size fits all and that the body and its digestion is a simple machine we have fully understood. Like you are preaching that meat gives too much iron and is bad, while in my experience decades of eating gluten have caused nutritional imbalances, one of which is called iron-deficiency anemia, and causes brain fog, tiredness, pallor and shortness of breathing. More meat and iron supplements (rarely) gives me an amount of energy I haven't felt in a decade. I've found this out for myself because even medical doctors keep repeating advice ("you should eat less red meat and more whole foods" is the MD's mantra) which doesn't respect one's own physiology and weren't able to track this down. Yes, people can thrive on a diet of Mars bars, but it's not that simple and doesn't work for everybody. And I'd be more worried about heavy metals on a pescatarian diet than any other diet, vegan or otherwise.

hackerfromthefu 5y ago

I'm very sorry to hear about your digestive and health issues. With diets we don't see the effects fully in the short term and from what you said I highly suggest you work out how to eat a range of vegetables in your diet, to support your nutritional long term needs. If it's not just fruit but also vegetables that trigger your digestive issues, are you aware of the low Fodmap diet? It is based around understanding which vegetables don't cause the inflammation you mentioned, designed for people with digestive issues and reducing food irritation and inflammation.

arvinsim 5y ago
Not the parent but going ti check this out. Feels that this could help bloating
- 1_player 5y ago
  It certainly did for me + IBS goes away after just a week on it. Gas is passed once a week, if at all. It's hard to argue that my gut is extremely happy when eating an extremely restricted diet. Digestion is a non event. And no, you don't _need_ fibre. I'm right in the middle of the Bristol stool scale with zero fibre. Another thing that scientists are uncovering right now but "you need fibre, fibre is good" keeps being parroted by everybody because someone said so 5 decades ago. Such is dogma.
hiptobecubic 5y ago
fwiw, my wife is going through a similar experience and has done roughly 1 bajillion hours of trying to sort out the various buzzword diets referenced across the internet. "Fuck it i'm just going to eat chicken soup and unaged beef and ghee" is not nuanced, nor is it a great idea long term probably, but it did bring a pretty abrupt end to a lot of the symptoms she was having, including but not limited to: diarrhea, esophagitis, duodenitis, insomnia, random undirected anxiety, lethargy and ovarian cysts. We don't yet know what she was eating before that was causing issues, but it seems pretty clear that the issue was in her diet. She is planning on slowly reintroducing foods but her planned timeline is measured in years. I say this as a vegan of many years. I hate it, but I can't argue with the results so far.

CodeGlitch 5y ago

Last November I started to have serious digestive upset, to the point where I missed most meals due to nausea, stomach cramps and diarrhea. Lost a tonne of weight and fell into anxiety and depression. I was introduced to the idea of FODMAPs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP A low FODMAP diet basically restricts stuff like gluten, a lot of fruit and vegetables, etc. I've found it has pretty much solved my digestive issues, and if I cave in and eat a bread sandwich... I'm suffering for the next 2 days. I think the human digestive system is highly complex, and should be the focus of a lot of research. There's so much we still don't know about the effects of what we eat. I hope one day I can reintroduce "normal" food again... Because frankly FODMAP restriction sucks. At least I'm not wasting away anymore.

eurasiantiger 5y ago
Kill off the fermenting yeasts from your gut and replace them with beneficial microbes.
landemva 5y ago
When you want to try bread again, look for sprouted grains. It may help.
- CodeGlitch 5y ago
  Thanks