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India Semiconductor Mission
- albert_e 5y agoWhy is this person's photo on EVERY.SINGLE.WEBSITE in India. I know the answer. Just unbelievable self-promotion at public tax payer expense. Is there a similar case elsewhere in any other democracy that's comparable.
- jesusohchrist 5y agoDon't be triggered, its okay. Take a deep breath
- cocoland2 5y agoIs the same case for state schemes as well. Regional non centre party CM's pictures are everywhere from Ration cards , bags , televisions , electricity cards etc. Nothing new. By the way , I loved the press conference (https://youtu.be/NaMUQQtlrNA?t=296 https://youtu.be/NaMUQQtlrNA?t=296) of the minister (seems well informed atleast from the way he spoke - may be good secretaries , still)
- unmole 5y ago> Nothing new. The sheer scale and ubiquity is definitely very new. It's even more pronounced now than compared to his first term. > seems well informed atleast from the way he spoke Well, he did study electronics and communication engineering.
- SoulMan 5y agoYes, so is in Vaccine certificate. They could have spent that money in digital legitimacy instead. Not sure if any other country does it.
- cocoland2 5y agoA case was filed , and was dismissed in the state i am in https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/kerala-high-court-dismisses-plea-seeking-removal-of-pms-photo-from-covid-vaccine-certificate/articleshow/88405410.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/kerala-high-c...
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- amelius 5y agoWho is this person?
- bobobob420 5y agoPrime minister of India. Politics in India is very messy.
- kumarvvr 5y agoState level politics, sure. But country level politics has been consolidating for a while now. Major players are mostly two, INC and BJP. There have been efforts to bring forth a coalition of smaller regional parties to amalgamate into a third national contender, but these efforts have not been very successful.
- sremani 5y agoI would not put INC and consolidation in one sentence. Actually it is the other way, INC fragmenting into regional satraps - that gave BJP enough wind behind its sail.
- pratik661 5y agoA good proxy for a party’s influence is how much declared assets they have. By that definition, there are regional parties like BSP that are better funded than INC. it’s safe to say that INC is a national party only nominally.
- detritus 5y agoDoesn't every populist politican do this when and where they can? I'm sure I recall Trump adding his 'brand' to a number of things he barely had any say in, whilst he was in office. I imagine a number of the % of public tax payers who are ardent Hinduists are probably quite happy to see Modi's mug on things. He's their guy, after all.
- kumarvvr 5y agoThere is a reason for it. A picture goes very far than any words. A lot of new schemes are introduced by this govt, and there is a tendency in Indian politics to show or lap up to those currently in power. So its not like this person is demanding a photo be put, but lackeys will do it anyway. Also, the govt structure is different than in the US. The administrative department is under the control of politicians. So you have this effect. A byproduct of colonial government. In the US, the birth of US was marked by rejection of British. In India, it was not the rejection of British, but, a good faith handshake goodbye that marked the birth of it. Believe me. The moment the govt changes, the pics will change, or be removed.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y agoass kissing by the ruling political party wants to create big-brother/mao/kim style obedience among the masses. seriously the old fart is a parasite
- sremani 5y agoEvery day is a campaign day in India -- every year there is election of State legislators or Municipalities/Panchayats/Zilla Parishads. Modi mastered it -- more than others. I went to India recently, every Gas Station has a big ass banner of Modi about some LPG scheme. I mean, if every web site bothers you think about this on a road trip. You can do cult as long as you competently deliver but when things don't go your way, the posters will remind people of him and his failure -- it is a double edged sword. A blunt instrument of propping image.
- setum 5y agoIt’s a legacy feature of Indian democracy. Prior to this almost every public building (universities, Stadiums, Zoos, Office Buildings, Parks, etc) were named after Nehru, Gandhi or someone else from ruling family. Those names still exist.
- perfectstorm 5y agoexcept they are all dead people who did good and it's a way of honoring their 'legacy'. this is much much different.
- cuteboy19 5y agoEvery bench in every park in India comes inscribed with the name of the Mayor who installed it. This is different, but not much different.
- dhanvantharim1 5y agodid good part is arguable but to answer your question Indian democracy is very personality driven (for the most part). We took the presidential election and merged it with parliamentary election. People in most states still vote for the leader of the party and not necessarily for the candidates in their constituency. Its like we took the worst part two systems and put them together.
- rdedev 5y agoYou can take the state of Tamil Nadu as a counter example. A lot of welfare schemes have photos of politicians both dead and alive. Mostly presented in a way that implies the old guard is passing on something to the new one. It's there in a lot of other states come to think of it. But of course no one did it to such an extent at the national level than modi. Almost every other scheme is under his name
- a22a-dev 5y agocan you name one such example?
- manojlds 5y agoIncluding our vaccine certs.
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- captn3m0 5y agoThought of a new project: modi.jpg - document which all government websites have this person's photo on the homepage.
- finebalance 5y agoCollective fucking madness. It's tiring to be subject to the constant narcissism. The human toll of the incompetence of this government is incalculable. They've set us back decades, if not forever, because I have no clue how our dumb bureaucracy and spineless civil society are going to deal with destruction that climate change is likely to visit on the subcontinent without completely fragmenting.
- pm90 5y agoIt might be annoying but it’s fairly benign afaik.
- windex 5y agoNarcissistic personality issues maybe?
- naruvimama 5y agoThat is how it works both in democracies as well as dictatorships, where few people have the time or incentive to be well informed, they associate the good schemes with the person/party symbol attached to the scheme.
- sinyug 5y agoThe initial attempt failed in spectacular fashion back in the 1980s.[1] Given that the same incompetent bureaucracy still runs the country, this is never going to happen. [1] India's Semiconductor Failure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBYV6QWDIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBYV6QWDIo)
- setum 5y agoThe failed enterprise was a government owned and managed entity. The new attempt is to help setup private sector managed entities.
- sinyug 5y ago> The new attempt is to help setup private sector managed entities. I get that. But these projects cannot run on political will alone. Ministers change. And parties can lose in elections. The only constant is the bureaucracy. And I have very little trust in their competence.
- pm90 5y agoYes, something that failed 40 years ago is a good indication that it will fail today. Fantastic observation.
- naruvimama 5y agoIt was more likely sabotaged, this is incredibly common. The state is too soft on terrorists & anti-social elements. As a poor country we can not afford to deliver first world "Human rights" especially for hardened criminals.
- melissalobos 5y ago> The Scheme for setting up of Semiconductor Fabs in India shall extend fiscal support of up to 50% of project cost on pari-passu basis to the ... >The Scheme for setting up of Display Fabs in India shall extend fiscal support of up to 50% of project cost on pari-passu basis to the approved applicants ... >The Scheme for setting up of Compound Semiconductors / Silicon Photonics / Sensors (including MEMS) Fabs and Semiconductor ATMP / OSA... These were taken from the boxes at the bottom. Does this read as repetitive in Indian English as in American English? I had never seen the phrase "pari-passu" before either. It seems like this project is just starting, and is going to be looking into how it could grow a domestic manufacturing chain for semiconductors. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pari_passu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pari_passu
- zozbot234 5y ago> The Scheme ... They keep using that word, I don't think it means what they think it means. /s Though maybe they just plan to write all their support code in LISP.
- pratik661 5y agoIndian English is different. For example a ‘promoter’ is someone who has fiduciary responsibilities towards shareholders in a company (CEO, founder, board member,etc) and not someone who is trying to get patrons to visit a nightclub https://www.legalserviceindia.com/article/l276-PromoterPromoter-Group.html#:~:text=In%20India%2C%20promoters%20are%20usually,interest%20into%20the%20company's%20management https://www.legalserviceindia.com/article/l276-PromoterPromo....
- pm90 5y agoA Scheme in Indian English does not include the “evil” connotations. So it’s more like an initiative or project. There are many such idiosyncrasies that make more sense if you accept that it’s a different dialect (rather than assuming they’re using American/UK English incorrectly).
- joshuaissac 5y ago> They keep using that word, I don't think it means what they think it means Definition of "scheme" in the Oxford Learner's Dictionary: "(British English) a plan or system for doing or organizing something" https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/scheme_1 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...
- sremani 5y agoComing to the main topic -- 1. Every major design corp has India campus, so India definitely has the talent for design 2. Coming to Fabs -- India lags big time. Why? I am going to give a half-informed answers -- please fact check and correct me. a. Dust -- at least the lower peninsula is Dusty (this has to do with Monsoons & Western ghats ..) b. Water -- It is very hard to find the kind of intensive water facilities that do not go against agriculture sector c. Silicon -- comes from Quartz and Indian Quartz comes from Andhra and Telangana is not of great quality I can see India having fabs for domestic consumption and lower end.. not for export or bleeding edge. note: Please down-vote if you think that is right and also provide feedback where I am wrong -- that would actually help here.
- captn3m0 5y agod. Politics. Large industrial projects in India, especially those with a lot of foreign investment potential get politically co-opted, so it's a very risky move for any large company - you need a lot of political capital to setup a new large fab in India. (which is why this ISM thing is important - it sets up the stage from the center)
- qazpot 5y agoe. Bureaucracy. - Incompetent and corrupt with massive colonial hangover.
- eunos 5y ago> a. Dust -- at least the lower peninsula is Dusty (this has to do with Monsoons & Western ghats ..) Huh? Your cleanroom standard for semiconductor manufacturing is more stringent than air quality in Switzerland. I think general air quality matter less when you can use sophisticated cleanroom equipments.
- aliswe 5y agoThis sounds like complete speculation?
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- keewee7 5y agoI live in Denmark and I have never seen a Made in India product. Maybe they should start with electronics manufacturing services before moving onto semiconductor manufacturing? Just like China did.
- pratik661 5y agoIndia doesn’t produce a lot of consumer goods. However, there is a good chance that the lab equipment and chemicals used were manufactured there. For some reason, most drain caps in the US happen to come from scrap iron mills in India..
- manishsharan 5y agoIndia is more known for its services exports than manufacyturing exports. You might have seen folks from TCS or Infosys etc. or Indian doctors and nurses in your neck of the woods.
- qazpot 5y agoIndian economy went into Service sector after agriculture.
- keewee7 5y agoMaybe that was not a good idea. Compare India with the countries that focused on manufacturing at it's pretty obvious that the latter fared better: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export-oriented_industrialization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export-oriented_industrializat...
- cosmosgenius 5y agoIndia needs home made electronic components so badly. As it is doing experiments in electronics is expensive enough. Hoping localized manufacturing and factories may reduce it a bit.
- baybal2 5y agoFunny factoid: Fairchild Semi, them being Hinduism obsessed hippies, seriously considered setting up a factory in India. They went to meet Indira. What Indira did? Shooed them away, and told to blacklist them for visas. "Thinking machines," they thought, would completely annihilate the bureaucratic work, and babu jobs for their progeny.
- laxmin 5y agoSorry, that is not a fact, but a racist anecdote. Indira, typical Indian can't understand semiconductors and behaved like an uncivilised tribal... is what you want to convey? You won't talk about the thousand ways Indians were kept from immigrating to the US or acquiring computers and mainframes using sanctions.
- Rexxar 5y agoCriticizing one particular politician for a technical/economical decision is racist now ?
- baybal2 5y ago> Indira, typical Indian can't understand semiconductors and behaved like an uncivilised tribal... is what you want to convey? No... Indira indeed understood semiconductors, and "what those thinking machine thing is" way batter than most of her contemporaries. She was very educated. In fact, she was promoting computer education heavily, yet her vision for the computer was complete opposite of business minded Americans. She seen computers to be powerful, and heavily restricted machines in the future, gated behind the elite "oracular class" to prevent proletarians from computing something wrong (like finding out cong fudging economics figures.) For her vision of computers, mass manufacturing was not needed, and, worse, it was dangerous. She didn't mind computers costing millions of dollars, or being the size of a mountain, and only available few pieces per country as long as the owner would be her/the government. She later conceeded on this towards the end of her reign once she seen the industry choosing the Fairchild's path irreversably, but the ship has long since sailed.
- pkaye 5y agoThere is a YouTube video about India's attempt at semiconductor fabs. Never knew they had built a fab before Taiwan had one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBYV6QWDIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBYV6QWDIo
- perryizgr8 5y agoWhy don't they reduce the insane taxes on computers and other stuff used in manufacturing? Simple things like laser cutting machines or lathes are taxed at ~27%. How do you expect people to compete in the global arena?