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The US had a riot on Jan 6th 2021 and it’s been portrayed as a crisis on the scale of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. Millions of Americans think it was an insurrection.

The US had a riot on Jan 6th 2021 and it’s been portrayed as a crisis on the scale of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. Millions of Americans think it was an insurrection. I don’t know if your theory holds up.

eganist 5y ago
> The US had a riot on Jan 6th 2021 and it’s been portrayed as a crisis on the scale of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. Millions of Americans think it was an insurrection. I don’t know if your theory holds up. To be clear, there was a riot, but said riot was also allegedly used as cover for (and was also allegedly an outcome of) sedition - https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-ot... The vast majority of Jan 6 charges were riot-related, but that there are any insurrection-related charges at all is what's branding the event as an attempted insurrection against the United States Government.
- AcerbicZero 5y ago
  - eganist 5y ago
    > To be more clear, no charges of sedition were filed until nearly a year after the "riot" had been branded an "insurrection". The branding of the riot to insurrection occured about 45 minutes after someone sat in Pelosi's chair. Investigations are a thing that take place, and exceptional charges tend to be distant followers of actual events, especially when cases need to be airtight. There's no conspiracy with the way the charges were handled; there's simply evidence-gathering.
  - kadoban 5y ago
    Serious charges, in general, take longer to investigate and charge.
  - bakuninsbart 5y ago
    That's dishonest. Anyone looking even only perfunctory at the lead up to and events of the day knows that this was provoked by Trump and the sycophants around him. They falsely claim the election was stolen from them, and January 6th was their last chance at a coup. Riled up protesters stormed government buildings and tried to kill multiple government officials who were in the process of ratifying a valid election. Rightfully, there's a much higher threshold of evidence in court, and this of course takes time to gather. Rats like Trump and the people around them also have plenty of experience skirting the line of illegality, and them being often high-ranking government officials gives them a certain degree of immunity.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    Only, the "riot" coincided with the counting of electoral votes, they erected gallows and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" because he wasn't playing along with Trump's fraudulent attempt to replace electors, as the crowd attempted to force their way into the legislative session. The crowd may have failed, but the attempt was made. After they bloodied dozens of cops, what do you suppose would have happened if they made it into the chamber full of senators?
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    "Insurrection" is harder to prove than "riot" or "breaking and entering". They don't want to charge a bunch of people and lose in court; they want the charges to stick. That takes time to get right.
tsol 5y ago
I think location has to do with it. Riots in DC government buildings are taken more seriously than riots affecting civilian housing and businesses. You can argue that's a double standard, but many people just feel differently when they see rioting in the capital building(vs rioting on Main Street)

eganist 5y ago

> The US had a riot on Jan 6th 2021 and it’s been portrayed as a crisis on the scale of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. Millions of Americans think it was an insurrection. I don’t know if your theory holds up. To be clear, there was a riot, but said riot was also allegedly used as cover for (and was also allegedly an outcome of) sedition - https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-ot... The vast majority of Jan 6 charges were riot-related, but that there are any insurrection-related charges at all is what's branding the event as an attempted insurrection against the United States Government.

AcerbicZero 5y ago
- eganist 5y ago
  > To be more clear, no charges of sedition were filed until nearly a year after the "riot" had been branded an "insurrection". The branding of the riot to insurrection occured about 45 minutes after someone sat in Pelosi's chair. Investigations are a thing that take place, and exceptional charges tend to be distant followers of actual events, especially when cases need to be airtight. There's no conspiracy with the way the charges were handled; there's simply evidence-gathering.
- kadoban 5y ago
  Serious charges, in general, take longer to investigate and charge.
- bakuninsbart 5y ago
  That's dishonest. Anyone looking even only perfunctory at the lead up to and events of the day knows that this was provoked by Trump and the sycophants around him. They falsely claim the election was stolen from them, and January 6th was their last chance at a coup. Riled up protesters stormed government buildings and tried to kill multiple government officials who were in the process of ratifying a valid election. Rightfully, there's a much higher threshold of evidence in court, and this of course takes time to gather. Rats like Trump and the people around them also have plenty of experience skirting the line of illegality, and them being often high-ranking government officials gives them a certain degree of immunity.
- klyrs 5y ago
  Only, the "riot" coincided with the counting of electoral votes, they erected gallows and chanted "Hang Mike Pence" because he wasn't playing along with Trump's fraudulent attempt to replace electors, as the crowd attempted to force their way into the legislative session. The crowd may have failed, but the attempt was made. After they bloodied dozens of cops, what do you suppose would have happened if they made it into the chamber full of senators?
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  "Insurrection" is harder to prove than "riot" or "breaking and entering". They don't want to charge a bunch of people and lose in court; they want the charges to stick. That takes time to get right.

tsol 5y ago

I think location has to do with it. Riots in DC government buildings are taken more seriously than riots affecting civilian housing and businesses. You can argue that's a double standard, but many people just feel differently when they see rioting in the capital building(vs rioting on Main Street)