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This is a much better take than what is being broadcast by the MSM. Ivermectin is not a dangerous drug in the dosages recommended. By the MSM declaring Ivermec

This is a much better take than what is being broadcast by the MSM. Ivermectin is not a dangerous drug in the dosages recommended. By the MSM declaring Ivermectin to be dangerous, it makes their statements about the inefficiency seem suspect.

BoiledCabbage 5y ago
I've taken their comments to be "Believing Ivermectin as a cure against covid is dangerous in the same sense that believing rubbing butter on your elbow is a cure against covid." (People turn down legit treatments, and are more lackadaisical about spreading it as they believe there is a universal cure) Along with "Taking ivermectin in dosages at for the body weight of large animals puts people at high risk of overdose." (Which many people have done) Both of those statements seem true to me.
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  >> is dangerous in the same sense that believing rubbing butter on your elbow is a cure against covid. So we should follow the CDC recommended advice of not doing anything until it’s bad enough to be hospitalized as a good alternative? >> Taking ivermectin in dosages at for the body weight of large animals puts people at high risk of overdose. Are you talking about that single mass media article that was later completely retracted because it was discovered to have been completely made up, or are there other instances?
  - nicoburns 5y ago
    > So we should follow the CDC recommended advice of not doing anything until it’s bad enough to be hospitalized as a good alternative? I think the relevant alternative in this case might be getting vaccinated (which presumably the CDC recommends) which is sufficient to avoid hospitalisation in most cases. It's not everyone, but a lot of the people promoting ivermectin seem to be motivated by wanting to avoid the vaccine.
  - notahacker 5y ago
    No, we should follow the CDC advice to get vaccinated, with well documented efficacy against COVID-19 mortality, rather than the popular alternative of not taking the vaccine but instead relying on self prescribing a medication thought only to be effective in treating a comorbidity you probably don't have.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Which CDC recommended advice are you referring to? In the USA our official treatment guidelines come from the NIH and they do recommend therapies for at least some patients prior to hospitalization. https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/
bayesian_horse 5y ago
Responsible media (what you call "MSM") doesn't say "Ivermectin" is dangerous. It says it is dangerous to spread the lie that Ivermectin is useful in the treatment of Covid, especially over the proven methods and agents of prophylaxis and treatments. You can't distinguish between "Ivermectin is dangerous" and "People took too much Ivermectin because they thought it cures Covid". Because the latter is true and happened a lot in the US. What also happens a lot in the US is that the same people who promote Ivermectin give a shit about proven vaccines, proven treatments and masks and so on.
- jtc331 5y ago
  The stories about large numbers of people overdosing ivermectin in the US were shown false both by a hospital reporting the doctor supposedly reporting the problem didn’t actually work for them as well as poison control center numbers being reported incorrectly. Critique ivermectin but don’t do it my spreading misinformation.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Those stories were shown to be false by the MSM. The original story came from a local newspaper. http://web.archive.org/web/20210902202007/https://kfor.com/news/local/patients-overdosing-on-ivermectin-backing-up-rural-oklahoma-hospitals-ambulances/ http://web.archive.org/web/20210902202007/https://kfor.com/n... CNN said it's not true. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/fact-check-oklahoma-ivermectin-story/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/fact-check-oklahoma-... USA Today Fact Check rated the claim as false: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/15/fact-check-oklahoma-hospitals-not-backed-up-ivermectin-cases/8271014002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/15/fac... AFP Fact Check false: https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9MD9HX-1 https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252... People often complain about mainstream media getting things wrong, but they generally overlook the fact that the editorless non-mainstream media gets far more stories wrong.
    - zackees 5y ago

BoiledCabbage 5y ago

I've taken their comments to be "Believing Ivermectin as a cure against covid is dangerous in the same sense that believing rubbing butter on your elbow is a cure against covid." (People turn down legit treatments, and are more lackadaisical about spreading it as they believe there is a universal cure) Along with "Taking ivermectin in dosages at for the body weight of large animals puts people at high risk of overdose." (Which many people have done) Both of those statements seem true to me.

artificialLimbs 5y ago
>> is dangerous in the same sense that believing rubbing butter on your elbow is a cure against covid. So we should follow the CDC recommended advice of not doing anything until it’s bad enough to be hospitalized as a good alternative? >> Taking ivermectin in dosages at for the body weight of large animals puts people at high risk of overdose. Are you talking about that single mass media article that was later completely retracted because it was discovered to have been completely made up, or are there other instances?
- nicoburns 5y ago
  > So we should follow the CDC recommended advice of not doing anything until it’s bad enough to be hospitalized as a good alternative? I think the relevant alternative in this case might be getting vaccinated (which presumably the CDC recommends) which is sufficient to avoid hospitalisation in most cases. It's not everyone, but a lot of the people promoting ivermectin seem to be motivated by wanting to avoid the vaccine.
- notahacker 5y ago
  No, we should follow the CDC advice to get vaccinated, with well documented efficacy against COVID-19 mortality, rather than the popular alternative of not taking the vaccine but instead relying on self prescribing a medication thought only to be effective in treating a comorbidity you probably don't have.
- nradov 5y ago
  Which CDC recommended advice are you referring to? In the USA our official treatment guidelines come from the NIH and they do recommend therapies for at least some patients prior to hospitalization. https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/

bayesian_horse 5y ago

Responsible media (what you call "MSM") doesn't say "Ivermectin" is dangerous. It says it is dangerous to spread the lie that Ivermectin is useful in the treatment of Covid, especially over the proven methods and agents of prophylaxis and treatments. You can't distinguish between "Ivermectin is dangerous" and "People took too much Ivermectin because they thought it cures Covid". Because the latter is true and happened a lot in the US. What also happens a lot in the US is that the same people who promote Ivermectin give a shit about proven vaccines, proven treatments and masks and so on.

jtc331 5y ago
The stories about large numbers of people overdosing ivermectin in the US were shown false both by a hospital reporting the doctor supposedly reporting the problem didn’t actually work for them as well as poison control center numbers being reported incorrectly. Critique ivermectin but don’t do it my spreading misinformation.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  Those stories were shown to be false by the MSM. The original story came from a local newspaper. http://web.archive.org/web/20210902202007/https://kfor.com/news/local/patients-overdosing-on-ivermectin-backing-up-rural-oklahoma-hospitals-ambulances/ http://web.archive.org/web/20210902202007/https://kfor.com/n... CNN said it's not true. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/fact-check-oklahoma-ivermectin-story/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/fact-check-oklahoma-... USA Today Fact Check rated the claim as false: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/15/fact-check-oklahoma-hospitals-not-backed-up-ivermectin-cases/8271014002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/15/fac... AFP Fact Check false: https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9MD9HX-1 https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252... People often complain about mainstream media getting things wrong, but they generally overlook the fact that the editorless non-mainstream media gets far more stories wrong.
  - zackees 5y ago