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West accused of ‘climate hypocrisy’ as emissions dwarf those of poor countries

11 points by Dah00n 5y ago

raxxorrax 5y ago
Well, I do think western nations should plead guilty on that and then some.
marginalia_nu 5y ago
The important part is finding someone else who is more to blame, that way nobody needs to do anything. The rich countries can blame the poor countries for not modernizing their industry, the poor countries can blame the rich countries for being larger emitters, the producers can blame the consumers for demanding the wrong things, the consumers can blame the producers for making the wrong things, the voters can blame the politicians, the left can blame the right, the right can blame the left, dogs can blame cats, cats can blame mice. I'm sure if we just find who is the most to blame, fix up a big bonfire and burn that witch, then all our problems will go up in smoke.
- scollet 5y ago
  I blame big bonfire.
- yongjik 5y ago
  Endlessly debating who is the most to blame is also a great way to make sure that all our problems go up in smoke. Or, at least, all the problems of some of us. (Just ask the residents of Lytton, British Columbia.)
  - marginalia_nu 5y ago
    Ah yes, fucking everything up for everyone: The great equalizer.
flykespice 5y ago
Correction: By "West" you meant the developed nations, we from the West developing nations have nothing to do with it. They are the ones who started the "climate issue" and the ones preaching & pressuring everyone(specifically the poor countries) to slow down on burning fuel. They keep blaming everyone but themselves. It's just unfair, we need fuel to power our factories and reach the same level as the developed nations, we are burning the same amount(or less than) them used to reach their current state. The developed nations are the one who need to slow down on their fuel burning, they don't need that much as we need, they hide their carbon footprint whilst hypocritically pointing finger at us developing countries, leave us developing whilst you do your part.
- mojomark 5y ago
  >>The developed nations are the one who need to slow down on their fuel burning As a "westerner", I would modify this statement to: The developed nations are the ones who need to STOP ALL harmful emissions by implementing a fully renewably-powered infrastructure (power grid, tansportation, civil, defense) and CONCURRENTLY supply/heavily subsidize the deployment of these capabilities to developing nations. We're all on the same international spaceship. It's not a question of fairness or who developed first. It simply needs to happen. Like... now.
  - flykespice 5y ago
    Fair enough, you put a much better solution that benefits both sides. I'm not downplaying/disregarding the climate issue, at that part the I agree with the developed nations: it's a real thing, the increased rate of flooding across Europe and India last year supports that. Every of us (regardless of ethnicity &nation) is responsible to take care our common homeland. What I disagree is how they are playing the issue putting more responsability on us than themselves, unfortunately our industry is still very traditional and we can't move overnight to renewable ones, rather than taxing us, they should be aiding to move our industry facilities to green solutions, that is the ideal one, noone gets harmed whilst making our planet more greener
    - 5y ago

11 points by Dah00n 5y ago

Well, I do think western nations should plead guilty on that and then some.

The important part is finding someone else who is more to blame, that way nobody needs to do anything. The rich countries can blame the poor countries for not modernizing their industry, the poor countries can blame the rich countries for being larger emitters, the producers can blame the consumers for demanding the wrong things, the consumers can blame the producers for making the wrong things, the voters can blame the politicians, the left can blame the right, the right can blame the left, dogs can blame cats, cats can blame mice. I'm sure if we just find who is the most to blame, fix up a big bonfire and burn that witch, then all our problems will go up in smoke.

scollet 5y ago
I blame big bonfire.
yongjik 5y ago
Endlessly debating who is the most to blame is also a great way to make sure that all our problems go up in smoke. Or, at least, all the problems of some of us. (Just ask the residents of Lytton, British Columbia.)
- marginalia_nu 5y ago
  Ah yes, fucking everything up for everyone: The great equalizer.

flykespice 5y ago

Correction: By "West" you meant the developed nations, we from the West developing nations have nothing to do with it. They are the ones who started the "climate issue" and the ones preaching & pressuring everyone(specifically the poor countries) to slow down on burning fuel. They keep blaming everyone but themselves. It's just unfair, we need fuel to power our factories and reach the same level as the developed nations, we are burning the same amount(or less than) them used to reach their current state. The developed nations are the one who need to slow down on their fuel burning, they don't need that much as we need, they hide their carbon footprint whilst hypocritically pointing finger at us developing countries, leave us developing whilst you do your part.

mojomark 5y ago
>>The developed nations are the one who need to slow down on their fuel burning As a "westerner", I would modify this statement to: The developed nations are the ones who need to STOP ALL harmful emissions by implementing a fully renewably-powered infrastructure (power grid, tansportation, civil, defense) and CONCURRENTLY supply/heavily subsidize the deployment of these capabilities to developing nations. We're all on the same international spaceship. It's not a question of fairness or who developed first. It simply needs to happen. Like... now.
- flykespice 5y ago
  Fair enough, you put a much better solution that benefits both sides. I'm not downplaying/disregarding the climate issue, at that part the I agree with the developed nations: it's a real thing, the increased rate of flooding across Europe and India last year supports that. Every of us (regardless of ethnicity &nation) is responsible to take care our common homeland. What I disagree is how they are playing the issue putting more responsability on us than themselves, unfortunately our industry is still very traditional and we can't move overnight to renewable ones, rather than taxing us, they should be aiding to move our industry facilities to green solutions, that is the ideal one, noone gets harmed whilst making our planet more greener
  - 5y ago